Player Features and Ideas Discussion

But as a capsuleer, with total control over the systems of my ship, why can't I just turn the gravity up 5000% where the boarders are? Or just vent the sections they're in directly into space? Or fill the halls with toxic gas, raise the temperatures a few hundred degrees, lower them a few hundred degrees, or any of the other things you could do with the ship's existing systems to make life hard for them?

Even if that didn't work, it's my ship. I am in it's pod, the most heavily protected part by a long way, able to take a few rounds from frigate sized weapons even on it's own, and to survive the explosion of a titan. What are infantry weapons going to do to it?

I would rather self destruct my ship and pod than allow boarders to accomplish anything. This is not a well thought out idea. At the first sign of any boarding rest assured that the first thing your soldiers would hear is the words 'Self Destruct Sequence Initiated'. Think about it, like most capsuleers I've got multiple income streams, ship insurance and loads of modules in the hanger. Losing a ship is pretty much unimportant...

Even if the boarding of capsuleer ships was an impossibility, what about NPC ships? Pretty sure they don't have hangars full of 'em.

Then think of a way to counter it - be productive. And what about boarding NPC ships? No capsuleers on those.

You're all so negative and narrow-minded. I don't care about negative and narrow-minded.

Look, hun, I don't care what you think I need. I know you can self destruct, but all I'm seeing is "this is a bad idea", instead of "this is a bad idea, but we can tweak it by doing this and that." What, did you expect me to come up with a great idea all on my own and not post anything unless it was great? This is a discussion board, right? Just because you would rather self-destruct doesn't mean everyone would do the same.

Where's the discussion?

I'm not getting pissy. You haven't seen me pissy. There are plenty of relevant situations where self-destructing a ship is a BAD IDEA, like having a courier package on board with a 2 bil isk collateral - yeah, you wouldn't defend that? Would you self destruct that? And don't tell me for one second that NPC's can parallel real-life human captains - they are programmable AI that can be programmed to NOT self-destruct so that a boarding mechanic can be implemented.

See how I'm thinking of solutions instead of just creating problems? Why am I the only one thinking of them? I'm sorry if you feel like I got "pissy", but the shitposting and slack attitudes on these forums are pathetic all round.

Blah blah blah *ignored for negativity and lack of constructive substance*

goodbye

I don't think there should be any way at all for someone to board my ship, eject my pod and steal my stuff. I especially don't think it should have any link to dust. I bought, or built, my ships, why, exactly, should someone be able to take it without any input from me?

It's your idea. It's for you to refine it. You need to tell us why this is a good thing, why, exactly, we should lose billions with absolutely no way whatsoever to save ourselves.

As for boarding NPC ships, let's have a look at the numbers the dust kiddies will face, shall we?

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/New_Eden_crew_guidelines

So, let's say you want to board a guristas raven. On top of any marines/mercs/whatever, dust players and the like, you'll have to wade through up to nine thousand hostile crewmen. Please, tell me how that's going to work out well for your boarding parties?

Put a rifle in the janitor's hand, and he can still ruin your day.

Please, tell me all the ways I can be knocked off through no fault of my own, with no way to save myself? I'm struggling to think of any. And while you're at it, tell me how, under your system, I could save myself?

Boarding in DUST would only work if it was against non-piloted things, like POS's (possible sov-warfare tie-in?). Whats-his-face is right that a capsuleer could just say "to hell with my crew" and vent the entire ship and crank up the artificial gravity. Also, Damage Control II is designed to seal off sections of the ship which have just been blasted away during combat. Good luck getting around on foot.

CCP made capsuleers far too powerful for this idea to work against player-flown ships. We're supposed to be seen as demi-gods, after all.

I thought you had picked up your ball and run of home with it, what about having no more discussions with morons. Yet you are back. I'm beginning to think you are trolling here with lines like "I'm sure if you were bright enough, you could answer your own questions", yet here you are.

To come back to the original question about boarding ships it's not our fault that you had an idea (you know a headache with pictures) that it isn't possible to integrate into the game mechanics as it stands. Using infantry to attack and hold stations and pos as well as ground targets works well because they are stationary and on all of the time.

This means that a dust team can assemble in their own time and have at it. That team wont have to wait for someoone else to give them the go order and activate them. I cant think of anything worse than waiting all night on a console doing nothing in the hope that your patron's ship might get boarded. The only way that I could support your idea is if it is done on contract.

e.g. an enemy who is too weak to kill me in open combat might hire a team to locate and board me as I am going about my business in space. His combat team might penetrate the ship, defeat my automated systems and crew and then If I haven't already self destructed or jettisoned my escape pod, they might just disable it and kill me. taking back my cold, pod goo covered corpse to my enemy as a trophy.

Note that your infantry would still have to find someone who can fly a ship, bring it within boarding range of mine and at the very least remove my shields and armour exposing the hull, prior to unleashing their forces. What If I dock up when this is happening, will I even be allowed too, or should station security get involved and fight your guys as well.

The other flaw is that if a pilot can reduce my shields, wipe out my armour to a level in which a boarding can take place, he might as well just finish me off and destroy my ship. No point sending soldiers across to die is there. Or do you propose a magic boarding button that allows infantry to access my ship without compromising it's defenses. If we allow that, the next question becomes 'why isn't my ammo wrapped in that stuff?' Why cant I send a missile across that is immune to shields and armour? After all some missiles/rockets are marine sized so why not?

I'm not being negative, but I need a lot of convincing. The reason why your idea is bad is because it exists in isolation to the rest of the eve/dust universe.