Warfare & Tactics

Slow down and take a deep breath. You are looking at the math from a macro angle and not the actual needs of the battlefield. Let's take Dal. Over several days we ran it up to 40%. During that time we got lots of kills from people trying in ones, twos and threes to push us out. Per Almity - on Saturday alone we got close to 30 kills. We also ran the upgrade level from 5 down to 1 over time. And since we're plexing in ones and twos ourselves - we get alot of LP ringing up personally.

So the math. At tier 3 - a major dplex with 40% contested yields 25k * 1.75 * 40% = 17500 LP. A level 4 mission by comparison yields 30k LP * 1.75 = 52500 LP. If isk is your primary motivation why would you dplex? Now on top of that, do you think the Minmatar came in ones and twos to push us out? Or do you think they came in with 10 - 20 people? 17500 / 10 people = 1750 LP per person. Insert golf clap here.

In summary - they lost dozens of ships and had to pay 2 million to 3 million LP to upgrade the system again all for nickle and dimes rewards? That is some very poor puppet mastering...

Fact - the farming community is decimated. Most of the farmers that are left will move to missions.
Fact - the offensive and defensive plexing on the front is in the hands of the primary, motivated parties.

Sigh. Bolded, italicized and underlined the operative word. But if you do want to play that card, lets play (if only to prove that you do not have a monopoly on being daft):
In times of war there are rules governing what/how targets can be engaged and what is 'allowed' by the warring parties. Frequently however a bullied/downtrodden/outmatched party breaks these rules in an attempt to survive, to transfer this to a FW context:
- Any militia that is 1 or more tiers removed from the immediate opposition get a static 25% EHP increase to all ships as they are 'fighting for their lives'
* Real world example: Using civilians as meat shields to avoid being bombed by cowardly imperialist dogs!
- Any militia that is 2 or more tiers removed from the immediate opposition gets access to jump portals located at the iHub in all their systems, range unlimited (within FW area) and destination determined only by cyno.
* Real world example: Using ambulances to move troops/materials around to avoid being bombed by cowardly imperialist dogs!
- Any militia that is 3 or more tiers removed from the immediate opposition get 50% increase to all damage modifier and ships can be used to kamikaze the enemy doing direct damage with a 1:1 HP:HP ratio.
* Real world example: The further down a spiral a party goes the more desperate it becomes resulting in a surge of suicide bombings and wanton violence against everyone not fighting (includes own civilians).

Still want to play?

PS: Imperialist dogs was used for comical effect only as I am currently a native of and citizen in a country which fits snugly under that particular umbrella.

Would be grand if true, but do you believe that behaviour (ie. from motivated parties) will extend beyond the few systems that have always been drenched blood (Auga, Dal, Kourm, Kam/Huo, et al.) .. do you see the same thing playing itself out in the sticks of the Shakorite hinterland because I don't.

We have been killing each other in the tens of thousands over and in five to six systems since day one, the wallet/journal blinking is not likely to change that .. putting all of space into play might hence why giving the map a once over is a good idea.

You know if we all spent less time on the forums complaining and more actually playing EVE faction warfare would probably just work itself out, amarr numbers would double and we could head out and start taking over more systems, everyone would be getting more PVP and just think, we could find a proper use for all that wasted tinfoil, I'm sure Africa needs it for something.

The usual good posting from Shalee ...

from http://sovereigntywars.wordpress.com/2012/11/02/the-map-a-plea-to-ccp-soundwave/

I had just finished reading Poe’s post about fixing the Amarr/Minmatar geography and decided to make my own post instead of just responding on his blog.

The thing is, pre Inferno, not too many people ventured up beyond Hofjaldgund because there was no reason to other than missions. I rarely ever did a mission, so I’d never really go there.

Those who were doing missions most likely were doing them in stealth bombers, so even if the Hof gate was camped, most likely you’d make it through.

It was, in my opinion, a waste land. To do missions, you’d have to travel 16 or 17 jumps one way, so I never bothered.

Post Inferno, everything changed. Plexing started to mean something, so now all of those wasteland systems meant you got LP for plexing them.

Except, of course, we had to deal with station lock outs, so if you could manage to get through the Hof gate, you really got nowhere to park your ships. Or repair them.

Oh well.

But going back to Pre Inferno, the map was a very low priority, no one really realized just how bad it was because:

1. We rarely went there to begin with, no reason to.
2. No one really was basing up there, so you weren’t gonna get a fight anyhow.
3. Plexing was pointless, nobody cared about those systems.

We weren’t complaining at the time because there wasn’t much reason to complain about it. We were more focused on bitching about everything ELSE that was wrong with FW.

So I’m not really annoyed at Hans for not bringing it to our attention that the devs asked about the map back then, and I don’t think anyone else should be either.

What matters now is that the devs are aware of how horrible the map is in lieu of these new FW changes and that they should fix it. The sooner the better, and I do feel confident that they will get it fixed. (eventually)

- Shalee

KUDOS TO PINKY

from http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.ca/2012/11/faction-warfare-geography-pinky-feldman.html

[IMAGE: Warzone with New Connections]

CCP Fozzie posted a thing onto the forums, explaining that CCP will in fact be able to make Minmatar/Amarr warzone changes for Retribution 1.0. He listed the three new system connections they plan to create.

The interesting thing, the new connections are straight out of the warzone geography suggestions that Pinky made to Fozzie back in September. Where CSM7 dropped the ball all summer, Pinky took the bull by the horns, communicating directly with Fozzie. Fozzie saw the need and convinced his bosses that the geography needed attention sooner rather than later.

Pinky Feldman and CCP Fozzie, they get **** done.

Broadening the warzone will have nothing but beneficial effects for the Amarr. Finally, for those that care about warzone control, Metropolis is finally open to assault. These changes might actually convert a few people who could care less into people that could care a lot about warzone sovereignty.

An as example, Siseide to Kurniainan. Seven jumps in either of two directions now. One path through Metropolis, the other through Devoid. The new connections create so many more opportunities for roaming.

Kudos, Pinky Feldman. Kudos, CCP Fozzie. Good work and high-fives all-around.

I think these gates will allow both sides to jump both ways. So I don't really see this as much of a pro amarr change.

I anticipate many of the minmatar who base deep in metro will start putting more pressure in the traditionally amarr territory.


But it is a good change so, I agree, thanks to all involved.

Traditional Amarr territory has been Minmatar territory for most of FW history, mainly because Minmatar didn't have to worry much about Metropolis, because it was so difficult to assault.

True. And we also have to consider another economic factor:

Metropolis is large, a lot of system: Jumping from gate to gate requires time, let's say an average of 10 seconds per jump.

Now if we consider at T2 an average plexing income of 200.000 LP/hour this mean that a single 10 seconds gate to gate jump will cost to Amarr about 550,55 LP cause the gate jumping time is subtract from the total time plexing.

On the countrary for us Minmatar, at T4 a single jump will cost only 510,33 LP. Also we need less jumps and less = more time to plex = more LP = more isk.

So Minmatar will always flood them with hudreds of SFI, wave after wave, cause we can rely on an unlimited amount of SFI.

lol at Sura and XG trying to add.