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right, but 3% is hardly to be sniffed at, and this is eve; if there's an edge to be sought, then for sure people will do it. As long as your CS keeps up and stays alive for as long as possible then what more do you need from it? It also means that if you're in a fleet that can realistically project enough dps to alpha a fully tanked CS then you should start thinking about bait / backup cs to take over boosting as ships pop. Plus, if you've got enough dps to alpha a command ship (with the cs links up) then why as an FC do you care about them? There isn't a ship on the field that can stand your alpha, so you're far better off stripping off their ECM / dps / tacklers as fast as you can call the targets, in which case the CS are left till last (if it comes to that). All in all I think that they'll last a lot longer than you give them credit for.

Finally, to an extent your argument could be used to claim that the fact that you get large fleets with big alpha means that no-one will bring logi to a fight unless they can be allowed to operate off grid. After all, the loss of those ships from the fleet is arguably even more critical than the loss of the links, but logi wings function quite well on grid and in the face of having a lot less buffer than a tanked CS.

In conclusion there are clearly options for command ships on the field in large engagements (necessarily speaking only generally in the absence of detail of how this might manifest), and it'll just be up to the players to seek out the proper optimization strategy. I think that declaring the whole concept useless is rather premature.

i have been waiting pateintly for the Tech3 Booster to get nerfed. completely wrong when it came out and CCP did not listen. I now see why they did not listen at first. They used them for the propaganda to nerf the BOOSTERS all around. Yeah the command ships get a boost but they are nerfed if you have no idea why.

In what many folks see is that CCP is giving the GOONs and their pets what they wanted. The command ships on grid when they invade a system they do not own. This is wrong the Command ship should be able to boost off grid. here lets go with an interesting history lesson.

Remember World War I where the Germans tried to invade france? I imagine many do. France's Defense with a good commander managed to keep the invading Germans at bay due to the French Defensive work.

You get the idea. French commander hanging back (command ship) dong what he thought was right. no where to be seen on front lines. his sub commanders doing the job he directed them. The German commander is in berlin no where to offer extra direction. So hopefully with that grey matter between the ears you will be able to figure it out. Or you can do some digging in the world of history and discover what happens to invading forces.

Now i do kinda agree that the Off Grid boosting needs to change. Its a pain when you cannot get to said booster. so I offer several suggestions for this
1> When inside a POS shield the command links shut down. and also increase the sig radius for each command module the ship is using. something like 10% per command link and 5% per command module
OR
2> New high slot toy along with a new SKILL. Call it something like "System Communication Array" Category Leadership. Prereq skills; electronics 5, Electronic Warfare 4,
Now I feel there should be a few more skills in there for this little item. It should be an active module that does not function within the POS shield. Now you have somethign sending out lots of communication to many pilots; therefore, it should have a sig radius large enough to see a star or just about. so it gives the command ship the sig radius increase of 400% each level in System Communication Array would decrease that down to 300% sig increase. if a Tech 2 version is down sig radius increase somewhere about 250%

DEVs use abuse the idea maybe you can get it to do something that sa
I personally feel that suggestion #2 will satisfy many folks on both sides of the line. There are many people who Skill a command ship pilot solely for the reason for what he does. And many of the nullbears cry when they find a OGB boosting folks and discover its a titan hiding in a POS or some other type of booster. This would bring Warfare out in 0.0 to a diffrent level. keeping the OGB with a huge sig radius, forcing invading parties to incorporate scouts (probe ships) to locate these boosters. After all, Eve is about Team work in a sandbox.

If you already have the ability to fly a given ship that will not be taken away regardless of how prerequisites may change. This has been specifically addressed many times.

Cool blog but not as cool as a bacon breakfast.

In modern combat the attacking and defending forces are commanded from very near the front of a battle, usually in a modified APC. Yes, there are generals well behind the line (if even in the same country) calling the shots on strategy and objectives... but that is not commanding the troops so as to utilize them most effectively in an active battle.

Naval engagements (and ariel engagements for that matter) are handled in exactly the same way.

This has been covered many times in this thread and others.

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73530



I play EVE for arround 3 Months now. My plan was to skill for a Thanatos and Manufacturing to have a steady ISK-Income. After that i wanted to skill Battlecruisers to PvP with that ISK and live a fine life full of destroyed ships.
Now this......
If Batttlecruiser 5 really multiplies my skillpoints in Battlecruisers by 4 (giving me 4 Skills on Level 5 where each one has the same multiplier) thats almost 3 months of skill-time i loose by not skilling battlecruisers right now. But I don't want to skill Battlecruisers yet....... That means i can decide between:
1. I Loose 3 months of skilltime
2. Loose over a month of higher income due less manufacturing slots and a weaker ratting-ship and no usefull progress.
Is that really how it will be?
Pest or cholera?

Will Battlecruiser 5 along with the minor Cruiser-skills really save me 3 months of skilling? Or will everybody only receive those Battlecruiser-Skills on 3 and decide on one to put up to 5?

Please tell me as it will decide how I play Eve in the coming 1,5 months......

And i need to know it fast. If i start training it now and don't make it.... god.....
I'm thinking about remaping into Spaceship command and use my spare remap to go back afterwards.....

regards
Destriouth Hollow

Not really, no. I mean, yes, that's what you're choosing between, but it's no different from any other skilling decision you make in EVE: what do you want more? Immediate access to one thing at the cost of another, or immediate access to the other thing at the cost of the one? If you absolutely have to have those additional slots sand better ratting ship, then giving up progress in the BC are is the cost you pay. If you want to progress in BCs now, then those slots and other ship bonuses will have to wait.

Also, between now and then, there's every chance that you'll be able to get both. Oh, and you want to learn how to fly something along the lines of a BC looooong before you step into a Thanatos, so if the latter is delayed, it will only be a good thing.

Can somebody explain to me why would anyone fit 2 different kinds of warfare links on 1 command ship if you can only have 1 mindlink? As opposed to 2 command ships with 1 kind of links each and a corresponding mindlink in each pilot's brain.

Also, how much must I drink to make this question seem irrelevant to me?

@CCP Fozzie:

Have you considered a drastic change to the mindlinks with this since we'll be likely running multiple links or is this an attempt to force a choice and an intended consequence that you pick one particular set of leadership mods to boost while the others remain unboosted by the mindlink.

I know that we have many people who can and do fly multiple command ships and a gripe about the mindlinks has always been having to rip out an implant and plug in a new one (none too cheap fyi) everytime you shift ships.

A weaker universal mindlink, or even replacing the mindlink entirely with a new skill would probably be prefferable to having either A) unboosted leadership links or B) ripping out implants near constantly because if the goal is to get some of the other command ships in use Im curious if this change will exactly get it done, especially if the idea is to have Commands and t3 boosters to run multiple link types, it'll still be more efficient to simply focus on a single type of boosting than to spread the link types out and end up with 2-3 really weak links.

I mean, ask yourself, would you like a Damanation fully boosting armor and barely boosting skirmish becuase of the lack of a mindlink affecting the skirmish, or would you rather have a Damnation and a Claymore fully boosting each and which do you think is more likely to happen (you're a smart guy I know you know).

I mean if this is an inteded consequence thats fine but I think that you know how things will likely end up.

What part of your plan makes it critical for you to be able to fly all 4 races BC's?

Or are you simply worried that you are missing out on something you never plan to use....