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Tax rate is available to you while you are in system but you can see them all on the overview so you don't need to actually fly up to each one. I will cite technical complexity as the reason it isn't initially available to everyone / everywhere but I can also see an argument for exploration as being part of the PI gameplay anyway.

Re comments about not responding, give us some time, today has been a particularly rough day at CCP. We did have a meeting this morning to discuss the many ideas and comments in this thread and some points are being acting on already so hang tight.

are you forgetting this crap and rebuilding pi form the ground up? making it liek what you said it was gonna be(close will do) at the fanfest 09?

It should be possible to search for them through the Science and Industry window - but you should only be able to see POCOs that you are allowed to use.

By limiting the S&I window searching to only the POCOs that you qualify for, an organization that wishes to "fly by night" and keep a low profile could simply restrict usage of the POCO to their closest friends (or just their corp members). Their POCO would not show up on the S&I screen and in order for someone to find the POCO they would have to fly out to the planet's customs office location and look (just like a modern POS). This would give security to the POCO similar to that of existing POS towers in that you would have to survey the system regularly to find POCOs that don't show up in the S&I window.

I don't believe that POCOs should show up on the overview unless on-grid, but their warp-in points should (just like moons - the moons are on the overview, but the towers are not unless you are on-grid).

The S&I window would need a filter for "current solar system", "current constellation", "current region" - just like when you search for lab slots.

All this doom and gloom. I think this change will be great. Sure prices will spike, sure somethings will become more expensive (T2 production, POS's etc). But there will be many chances to profit also.

Everyone can set up PI with very little training. And hi-sec PI will cost a little more with taxes, but that cost will just get passed on or you can move to a player run CO if you think the prices are too high. You have the option.

And who knows, we may have a few more battles over these POCO's, which is always a good thing.

Here is the problem I see, at first the low sec peeps will have a shortage of POCOs, then they will spend the next few weeks struggling to get some up only to have some pirate blow it up and put a high tax rate in place just for the tears. Then the real nightmare begins.

Some null sec alliance is going to figure out CCP has just offered them free isk to the extent not seen since the early moon goo days. The mechanic will look like this, find a few systems that offer good planets and then rush that solar system and its neighboring systems. The force will be well beyond the capabilities of local pirates and within two days all good planets and most others will have the official Goonswarm approved version of the POCO. THey will then set the taxes at such a point to extract most of the profit from PI, leaving just enough to keep their little PI slaves thinking hey have a chance.

Base a few hundred BS, HACS, etc. in the center system and anyone who messes with them dies, tell your null sec friends and enemies that this is your area, but you can have the next set of systems and BOOM free money. Amusingly the null sec alliances may able to manipulae prices of some PI materials by messing with tax rates on specific POCOs, pull bait and switches, by lowering a rate on a set of planets then raising them when people invest in them etc.

So basically we are all going to be working for our nullsec overlords. Guess the CSM is earning their paychecks.

One last thing if you go through with this, make low sec THE place for PI give it the highest rates of PI, basically flipping it with null sec so may at least you can create the LO SEC PI WARS.

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Good to hear.

There have been some good points made, and a whole lot of points made by people that either have reading comprehension issues or don't understand the social vs. economic forces at play in EVE.

Just to point out a couple of things worth considering.

1: Consider making rocket payloads a bit larger as an alternative.
2: Consider solutions for people who can't launch a rocket because of command center placement.
3: Consider removing the ability to control access via standings. Control via 100% tax has serious (good) drawbacks that encourage reasonable tax rates and better availability to the general public.
4: Consider making PCO's sig radius small enough to discourage cap use (hot drops to gank the PCO).

Thanks for your efforts in this.

1. WH space - I don't see PI done in WH space with the intention of selling it on the market. It's used for POS fuel and manufacturing in the WH. PI goods made in WH's have no significant effect on the market. PITA to get a CO installed, but once done, business as usual, and no change to income.

2. Null sec - I think, don't know, that much of the PI in null space is intended for the use by the corps/alliances in null sec, also for POS fuel and manufacturing. Certainly more gets to the market than in WH, but I really question how significant it is. Gut feeling is that it's not real significant. I think it discourages ninja PI, since it's pretty much agreed that few would allow non blue to use a CO. It makes low sec more attractive than null sec, since you can't launch all you produce.

3. PCO's in low sec - very poor return on investment, especially given the risk of loss. They are not worth putting up, not worth attacking, and not worth defending if they were. Launch stuff from your command center, haul it to high sec and produce the higher tier stuff on a production planet. If you disagree about the return on investment, do the math.

4. High sec - basically unchanged. Tax rates are currently insignificant, and doubling them doesn't change that much, especially since it's pretty universally agreed that the PI prices will go up.


The stated goal of allowing getting income from CO taxation - don't see how the implementation as described achieves this goal, in any sec status system.

The stated goal of increasing player interaction - in WH and null, don't see much change here from the current system. In high sec, player interaction is irrelevant, I don't see the risk nor reward changing much in high sec. Low sec - since I don't see CO's being put up much, the player interaction goes down. You can't camp a CO that doesn't exist. Not that many people camp CO's currently, never seen a CO camp in months of doing PI. So I think player interaction is either unchanged or decreased depending on the sec status of the system.

I don't care about naming, but I wouldn't object to it either.

No, POCO's do not need the ability to more selectively exclude/penelize people from using them. Rather they need to keep to one tax rate (that applies to everyone including the owning corps members) and lose the ability to keep people out via their standings.

This would vastly encourage the proliferation of available POCO's throughout Low and even Null Sec space.

Restricting people from using a planets resources should be the job of your fleet, or eventually DUST merc's... not the tax man or diplomats.

This, this, and this. Doesn't need to be a huge expansion. There still needs to be an overwhelming advantage for space ports / customs. But CC should be able to hold and launch, say, 2000m3. Even 1500 would be nice. 500 is just silly.