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If this is CCP's intention, then let them say it, but CCP Omen as repeatedly said that his is a purely economic decision. because let's face it, people like ISK more than kills right?

(That's sarcasm btw)

so is this gonna be another of the changes that kills alts off?

seeing as ccp just shed 20% of there staff, which is about the same as the pcu has dropped since they started nerf'ing everything in sight, starting with sanctums and then dual boxing with incrapter

Huh? What about in Wormholes ,where there are no stations to have hangars, but only POSes? Will it be teleported into Corporate Hangar Arrays then? Or into XLSAAs for those of us who use that as the Corp Hangar?

Just a quick post before I leave for work @omen.

Go check the prices at dod right now.

It's not just robotics but every material in the chain.

chirai, precious, reactive, and toxic are now all selling at per unit prices easily double or close to triple what it was not even a month ago. Already cruising past 500 per unit in some cases.

Makes me wish I had kept my robotics high sec setup rather then trying to dip my toes into low to make nano factories. the irony is I'd probably be twice as rich.

This is before you've even caused a further price spike by the plan to scrap all the npc custom offices.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE RETHINK THIS!

Or at the very least leave us options! Leave the npcs till a player builds one, increase rocket cap, do one of the many good ideas that have been listed in this thread countless times before you ram this through.

That is unless your actual goal is another monocle scandal, wrecking the PI economy (among other things) Or really just do want to show that EVE is only for the megacorps and screw everyone else. From the casual couple hours a day perspective I've got it's beginning to feel that way once again.

And I'm sure a lot of us would like to see how sec made more viable as a place to play, not turned into a ghost town or a way for the big boys to just steamroll everyone not them that much more.

Why would you camp a spot. If someone reinforces your PCO you know exactly when it comes out. Now if you don't have the manpower to deal with the threat at that time, that is a separate issue that has nothing to do with PI.

I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, or if this will even be read this far into the thread, but a functionality that would be needed now is an ability to see at a glance if I can even use PI on a given planet, perhaps via map filters. Also in case I can use PI, I need to know the tax rate of it. This is important information when setting up a new PI network.

Essentially I see these levels:
A. This planet has no customs office
B. This planet has a customs office, but it's locked for you
C. This planet has a customs office that is available to you (+ tax rate)

In case of C I also need to know the tax rate of it.

Without getting this information on an easy overview, it will be extremely hard to figure out where to set up shop. Maybe I after much searching finds a system consisting of exactly the planets I need to produce some commodity. Only to find out once there that one of the planets are locked for me and therefore the whole chain collapses.

It's also extremely hard to find a good deal; maybe the system next door has much better taxes, but you have to manually fly there and check out every damn office to know that. What if you have hundreds of potential systems? it will take forever to check them all out.

How are those who sell their customs services going to be able to attract customers if the customers can't find out that they are the cheapest to use? A market where you can't easily compare different deals is a pretty crappy market.

I would prefer they simply remove the ability to restrict access by standings first, and then put the relevant tax information on the map. Remember, restricting by placing a 100% tax on your PCO also means that except for corp "drones" your average corp members will not use the planet either.

Well this looks like a small gang pvp opurtunity, which i would love from the pvp perspective, but thats not what it rely is.

This is the death blow on EVE Industry.

POS fuel will skyrocket, which will cause that T2 Invention (gambling) will now finally fall off to be cost effective, which it barely is atm, so ppl will stop doing it, T2 Items and Ship prices will skyrocket, all of EVE will fly Drakes and Canes with T1 Items again.

Why? PI is crap, not as much as a clickfest as it was but still far too much and still entirely unfunny for a GAME!

Now it will become Corporate Controlled instead of being personal Industry, which means that ppl doing PI in Lowsek and NPC 0.0 (PI in Empire it utterly worthless), with great risk (loosing a Covert hauler is worth months of PI) will just plainly stop doing it, since the local thugs will just blow up the COs if somebody is stupid enough to put one up there.

Industry nerv is exactly what EVE needs atm....

CCP Omen

I'm coming to the realization that it's not POCO that is at issue, it is those things that are being left out of development of POCO that is at issue:

- HSec Custom's Office need not to have a 100% Tariff right at release!?

- Based on your own responses, about waiting and observing, and taking action as necessary; it is unconscionable to place that type of tariff on day one.

- Such NPC-CO Tariff increases should be implemented on a phased basis, if nothing else for economic considerations (and I don't just mean mine personally) - and should be fairly similar to how BPO Research is done via NPC Stations, vs. POS Research Arrays. Yes increase the tariff, but be rational about its implementation, since you and your team admittedly are only speculating that this change will work as intended from the outset, and will require continued monitoring and refinement. ** And lowering the defaults to artificially regulate the taxation rates is a flawed strategy. **

- I also am at a loss as to why trade skills, including social skills, were not included in having an impact on HSec tariff rates - no different than Recycling, and Market transactions are impacted by skills??!

- No mention of any type of research tools on POCO's via the MAP or otherwise?

- Plus your WIPING OUT all NPC-CO's upon release!? Instead of simply nerfing them as regards m3 volumes, etc. to such an extent that it becomes essential as well as advantageous to destroy the thing and put on a POCO???!!



While this change as presented has merit, this is negligent implementation for such a remarkably complex game; it is Shooting at Structures as has been pointed out, and should have been clearly stated as to where this change is meant to take us (i.e. moving toward DUST 514), without adding peripherial POCO research tools has the potential to severly disenfranchise PI colony operators, has the serious potential to create a economic shock to the market and game which is now dependent on player driven commocities!

I see this being akin to the removal of ship spinning... and Team Pi should proceed cautiously and learn from such mistakes.

Lastly, while this is CCP's game, and as a company you can not always do what the vocal minority wants you to do, admitedly there is so much positive development that has been brought to it over the years... that I do still trust CCP's development motivations; however, I hope every desk at CCP (world wide) has a hard copy of Hilmar's appology letter hanging next to their desk - that they read it every day they start work so a proper perspective is always maintained.

Because EVE is growing so complex, that after the CSM, and when you open planned features to public input (like this thread), that CCP DevBlog posts need to also 'clearly' inform us that WE the community are being given an opportunity to provide positive and helpful feedback? Instead of being told of things being a good idea, or being added to the wish list by way of placation.

I really hope you will answer these points. Because the more I consider what's being left out of this change the more concerned I become.

We've seen 2 devs stick their heads in here and back out quickly. I hope they realize what a clustercrap this change is and how many things they didn't think about when making the change. What happened to identifying a problem and fixing it instead of trying to make the current PI process relevant to DUST?

A question to the devs, with all the problems brought out in this thread, are you going to actually take anything stated here and rethink your deployment or act like this thread didn't exist and feign surprise when it craps with the game?

The one thing I have taken from this thread is how disconnected the developers are to the game. When the main premise for making this change work is a "hope" the players work together and not understanding why a corporation would lockout someone v. "making isk from taxes" really shows why this game is dying and why CCP has to start cutting staff.

The "we'll watch and make changes if needed" is a bold face lie. How long did it take to make the first PI changes, while we are at it how about the FW changes, POS changes, Sov changes, etc etc etc. CCP doesn't fix things once it is in game, you move on to the next shiny. I'm sorry but team PI is only here to make the connection between DUST and EVE, they have no clue about the existing game mechanics and will send another group of people packing when you nerf industry like this.