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Souisa
Subhypersonics
#1 - 2012-11-01 09:39:33 UTC
Hello,

There are many scammers. Most not only scam but also spam. Its annoying. One can only sit and go nice scam, or give an indication that a person is a scammer so much. It would be better if one could put a bounty on his ass, and then his name would be red in chat or something. That ought to get peoples attention and think twice before eagerly accepting someones scam contract or sending ISK to be doubled. If anything its gonna reduce the amount of scam and spam in the channels which would be nice in itself and it would be excellent if there was some sort of indiciation in the chat as well, that someone was wanted

o/
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#2 - 2012-11-01 11:26:31 UTC
With the bounty changes coming that would become sort of an option, but overall I don't think it will affect much. There needs to be a better look at the whole spam issue from CCP's side - as kind of displayed in my Jita report - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=164612

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Caldaricitizen 445820458
EVE Corporation 6908469803
#3 - 2012-11-01 11:29:26 UTC
OP was clearly scammed. You are one of those guys that want game mechanism changes because they dont suit you, you are to blame when sandbox turns to themepark.
Ghazu
#4 - 2012-11-01 11:36:22 UTC
Most of those scam spam characters are alts that never undock.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
Hiram Alexander
State Reprisal
#5 - 2012-11-01 11:39:14 UTC
Caldaricitizen 445820458 wrote:
OP was clearly scammed. You are one of those guys that want game mechanism changes because they dont suit you, you are to blame when sandbox turns to themepark.

Aren't you the same guy who just told CCP in another thread that Dust bunnies don't die quickly enough when you shoot them, and that their game's gonna die horribly if they don't fix it for you?
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-11-01 12:14:39 UTC
Souisa wrote:
That ought to get peoples attention and think twice before eagerly accepting someones scam contract or sending ISK to be doubled.


Wait what? How do you think about falling for a scam?

"Hmm, this character's name is red, let's think about it for a while. Do I send him all my ISK? I mean, it's a lot of ISK... should I trust him or not? Heck what can go wrong, let's just do it!"
Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2012-11-01 13:42:14 UTC
Souisa wrote:
Hello,

There are many scammers. Most not only scam but also spam. Its annoying. One can only sit and go nice scam, or give an indication that a person is a scammer so much. It would be better if one could put a bounty on his ass, and then his name would be red in chat or something. That ought to get peoples attention and think twice before eagerly accepting someones scam contract or sending ISK to be doubled. If anything its gonna reduce the amount of scam and spam in the channels which would be nice in itself and it would be excellent if there was some sort of indiciation in the chat as well, that someone was wanted


Do not trust people in Jita local. Only people here in forums are trustworthy. So, if you want to double your ISK, send it to me.

Don't be scared, because being afk is not a crime.
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#8 - 2012-11-01 13:56:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Roll Sizzle Beef
Putting a bounty on scammers are no different than spammers, it is pointless despite the changes. They recycle charactors so often.
Also because of the ability to bounty whole corps and alliances or anyone really with a small amount of isk. there would be a TON of colored names if bounties had color in chat.
It will get to the point where everyone looks the same. Opposite of intended effect. As Chribba said, its on CCPs side to fix spam.
There is nothing to fix in scams, though they shouldn't be able to say the same thing hundreds of times throughout the day.
Marvin Narville
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-11-01 14:17:58 UTC
I can haz rainbow brite chatroom?
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#10 - 2012-11-01 16:37:35 UTC
Souisa wrote:
Hello,

There are many scammers. Most not only scam but also spam. Its annoying. One can only sit and go nice scam, or give an indication that a person is a scammer so much. It would be better if one could put a bounty on his ass, and then his name would be red in chat or something. That ought to get peoples attention and think twice before eagerly accepting someones scam contract or sending ISK to be doubled. If anything its gonna reduce the amount of scam and spam in the channels which would be nice in itself and it would be excellent if there was some sort of indiciation in the chat as well, that someone was wanted

Providing any sort of community-sourced player "marking" is just asking for abuse. Sure, real spammers/scammers would be marked, but legitimate people would also get marked by random assholes as well, and local would become useless as a chat method.

Really, the best you can do is to ban them yourself. Or keep Jita local minimized (nothing important happens there anyway).

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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-11-01 16:50:06 UTC
BLOCK option

too complicated for some to use apparently

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The Troll Bridge
#12 - 2012-11-01 17:58:16 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
BLOCK option

too complicated for some to use apparently


^^ This.

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Lipbite
Express Hauler
#13 - 2012-11-01 18:08:01 UTC
Bounties won't help much because with new bounty system literally every character will have a bounty on his/her head sooner or later - whole chat window will be red in few weeks if color indication will be implemented.

P.S. It is a good idea actually - to be able to set up highlight color in local chat channel if person has bounty above certain number (i.e. all characters with 500m+ bounties = red).
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-11-01 18:09:45 UTC
Ghazu wrote:
Most of those scam spam characters are alts that never undock.

This.

How are you going to collect a bounty from a bot that's sitting in a station until the trial account expires?
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#15 - 2012-11-01 21:14:08 UTC
Rordan D'Kherr wrote:
Souisa wrote:
Hello,

There are many scammers. Most not only scam but also spam. Its annoying. One can only sit and go nice scam, or give an indication that a person is a scammer so much. It would be better if one could put a bounty on his ass, and then his name would be red in chat or something. That ought to get peoples attention and think twice before eagerly accepting someones scam contract or sending ISK to be doubled. If anything its gonna reduce the amount of scam and spam in the channels which would be nice in itself and it would be excellent if there was some sort of indiciation in the chat as well, that someone was wanted


Do not trust people in Jita local. Only people here in forums are trustworthy. So, if you want to double your ISK, send it to me.

I can confirm this. I sent him some ISK, and now I have twice as much!
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-11-01 21:17:45 UTC
Don't worry, with CCP's Trammel direction we'll most likely see theft and scamming made a bannable offense soon.

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Lucy Ferrr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-11-01 21:53:12 UTC
Souisa wrote:
Hello,

There are many scammers. Most not only scam but also spam. Its annoying. One can only sit and go nice scam, or give an indication that a person is a scammer so much.


Actually you are not allowed to do this. You can **** up local all you want with your spam scam contracts, thats allowed. But you are not allowed to point out scams, that is spamming. Just the other day I was counter-posting against a scammer, in hopes my warning would prevent someone from falling for it. I got an evemail from a GM telling me that 'my spam was annyoing to the citizens of New Eden' and that I need to quit it. The guy with the spam contract never got contacted by the GM he says. Since all my posts were responses to the scammer there is no way I was typing more or faster than him. So that leads me to believe posting your scam contract every 2-3 minutes is okay, but posting ^Scam underneath those scam contracts is not.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#18 - 2012-11-06 22:22:12 UTC
Lucy Ferrr wrote:
Souisa wrote:
Hello,

There are many scammers. Most not only scam but also spam. Its annoying. One can only sit and go nice scam, or give an indication that a person is a scammer so much.


Actually you are not allowed to do this. You can **** up local all you want with your spam scam contracts, thats allowed. But you are not allowed to point out scams, that is spamming. Just the other day I was counter-posting against a scammer, in hopes my warning would prevent someone from falling for it. I got an evemail from a GM telling me that 'my spam was annyoing to the citizens of New Eden' and that I need to quit it. The guy with the spam contract never got contacted by the GM he says. Since all my posts were responses to the scammer there is no way I was typing more or faster than him. So that leads me to believe posting your scam contract every 2-3 minutes is okay, but posting ^Scam underneath those scam contracts is not.

Sounds like he, or someone else, petitioned you for harassing/spamming, and something that you could escalate. Claiming someone is a scammer is a legitimate "counter" to their scamming, and information that may prove useful to others. If I were you, I'd ask the GMs in a more official manner how to combat local-spamming scammers.

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Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#19 - 2012-11-06 22:37:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Xuixien
Lucy Ferrr wrote:
Souisa wrote:
Hello,

There are many scammers. Most not only scam but also spam. Its annoying. One can only sit and go nice scam, or give an indication that a person is a scammer so much.


Actually you are not allowed to do this. You can **** up local all you want with your spam scam contracts, thats allowed. But you are not allowed to point out scams, that is spamming. Just the other day I was counter-posting against a scammer, in hopes my warning would prevent someone from falling for it. I got an evemail from a GM telling me that 'my spam was annyoing to the citizens of New Eden' and that I need to quit it. The guy with the spam contract never got contacted by the GM he says. Since all my posts were responses to the scammer there is no way I was typing more or faster than him. So that leads me to believe posting your scam contract every 2-3 minutes is okay, but posting ^Scam underneath those scam contracts is not.


Let's do some critical thinking here.

You said all your posts were responses to the scammer? That means every time the scammer posted a contract, you started calling it out on them. By doing this, you were actually causing more spam than the scammer, and this is why you were gagged, but the scammer was not. Scamwhining is a serious problem; I can post 1 contract in Local, and what ensues is a 45 minute conversation about the scam, which causes a lot of spam and forces me to post my contract at a faster rate to keep it visible. I'm not breaking any rules, but the people posting "scam scam xui is a scammer" over and over, often with 1 word per post, **** Local up and create a real problem for people trying to chat or do business.

In EVE, something is not considered "griefing" or "harassment" if the person guilty of the behavior is somehow profiting from it (or if the behavior falls within accepted game mechanics). Someone posting a scam contract (either every few minutes or every few seconds, depending on the flow of chat traffic) is profiting because someone eventually accepts the contract.

A scamwhiner, however, does not profit from pointing out the scams repeatedly, and is in fact just shitting up Local with a sleuth of useless drivel. This is why you were gagged, but the scammer was not.

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Clystan
Binaerie Heavy Industries
#20 - 2012-11-06 23:28:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Clystan
The way to nerf in-game stupidity is to avoid dumbing Eve down.