Player Features and Ideas Discussion

That would be too powerful considering the damage sentries can do. The idea of staying in place when pulled out of bay, but warping back to ship when recalled however I think is a great idea, and something that would not change how they work in any way. It would simply add convenience to them.

This would be awesome. However, Heavy drones need to do more damage to separate them from sentries in their use. They should do considerably more than sentries (at least 150-200 dps more rather than only 50-80 dps more with 3 drone damage amps)

Example, a domi gets 780-800 dps with heavies, 720 with sentries. That's not a big enough difference to cover the fact that sentries have way bigger range and would stay with your ship wherever you go. Heavies would need to do 850-900 before they are good for plain gank fits where damage>drone durability.

Also, there needs to be an implant for drone damage if there isnt.

It easily does more dps than a Coercer and also has more tank if you fit 6 weapons in the highs. It relegates the Coercer to kiting and sniping, and that's still not enough for you ?

You can't expect a ship that brings a ton of utility with its neuts and ewar-drones to have the same raw damage capability as a ship that brings just dps to the table.

No way would you be able to fit more tank and more gank on this destroyer compared to the coercer.

Besides frigates and destroyers can easily instapop light drones and kite out of the range of neuts, making your drone destroyer pretty much helpless.

The coercer can easily outrun (nearly 200 ms faster) the "dragoon" and stay out of its neut range while trivially melting it (253 long range DLP scorch vs 178 dps warriors that have travel time and can easily be popped in one shot by the coercer. )

Some inconsistencies here : either the ship have most of its dps in turrets and its not a drone boat or it have most of its dps on drones and it's a drone boat, though you cannot ask for a ship to have both extended drone bay and crazy weapon dps because adding the two would lead to something absolutely crazy. BTW, any gallente drone boat filled with blaster can have an already very good dps only with turrets only (Vexor, Dominix, Vexor Navy). Consider the dronebay as a utility drone bay, and you have exactly what you are asking for.

Though the truth is that you are better this way : all gank, with both guns and drones, because a dead target don't retaliate and gank is cool.

And still, you always have the ability to only use drones : current drones only Vexor can go up to 430dps. Not too bad for a T1 cruiser. Though you rarely do that, because if your drones die, you die. So you fit guns with them, so if your target kill your drones, you avenge them and she dies. And now, you can understand how this plit bonus is good : it's the presence of the guns who force the ennemy to focus on you instead of on the drones, hence you can keep your amazing dps (drone boats usually have amazing dps) to kill the ennemy before he kill you. Remove the drones, and lose so many dps you should better use a gun boat ; remove the guns and your drones are so vulnerable without their guardian blasters you will soon be defenseless.

That is the gallente school of course, though the amarr one is not so far : replace the blasters with neutralizers and extended drone bay, then, by the time the ennemy killed the first flight of drones, he is out of cap, and you have two more flights to finish him ; so the ennemy will tend to focus on your ship, and your drones will survive.

Your ship must be a greater threat than your drones for them to survive.

EWAR drones now, are difficult to balance : ECM drones are already often considered OP even on non drone ships, and they are the best you could use (the least situational ones). The others may benefit from a small buff, but even then you have to be careful if you don't want them to be OP.

Its neuts go out to 12.6km. That's not "very close range brawlers", that's any brawler among frigates and destroyers. Like I said way back, it's weak to kiters and it has problems with cap-injecting enemies and probably nossing enemies. You say 'problem' like it should be fixed, that this ship should be strong against anything; I'd say, these are just its downsides, it's not unusual for ships to have downsides, and they should be worked around by players. That can mean trying to start the fight at zero, that can mean using both of Zor's implants and having DCU, SAR, overdrive*2 for lows (6.1k EHP, 2.8km/s hot , 200dps), that can mean flying alongside an Executioner with a web. Or if it turns out that these weaknesses are too severe, CCP can directly alleviate them by buffing the range of its neuts or by cutting its mass. But in general the alternative to a strong ship which has obvious weaknesses isn't "an even stronger ship", but actually a mediocre ship that isn't very good or bad at anything; to remove a weakness is a buff, so there must be a corresponding nerf.

In any case, taking highslots off, giving it extra mids, giving it extra lows, none of that has anything to do with the range of its neuts and how fast it can go. None of that has anything to do with its weaknesses. That's just trying to make it into a different ship with different prospects and different challenges.

Also, Arbitrators and T2 Arbitrators and Sentinels already exist. All of them have plenty of mid slots. The Pilgrim has a way to start a fight in neut range; the Curse and Sentinel have much more range on their neuts. Blood Raider ships also exist, with bonused web strength and bonused cap transfer. The new destroyer isn't a cheap knock-off of any of these.

/leave Brittney alone

Alright, I'll mostly shut up until I've gotten some more kills with it.

For my purposes, the new amarr ship will be friggin great. I fight in FW plexes, and when sitting on the warp in, these neuts will rock socks.

I'm not sure why you are pigeon holing this ship as only a brawler.

You have drones for long range offense (60km with appropriate skills).

You have neuts and whatever weapons (probably rockets) for anything that comes after you, which will quickly kill anything likely to try and tackle you... especially when you bring your speedy little drones back to assist.

Since you can quickly suck dry most any tackler within 12km you will rarely be caught if you decide to leave, and anything kiting you from outside that range will likely not be doing as much damage to you at that range as your drones will be doing to it.

Frankly, aside from a few specialty situations, tanking a destroyer is a waste of time. They are a disposable ship and are best used to do as much damage to as many targets as possible before they die a glorious death.

This is a problem how? Either way, some ships won't be bothering other ones with these anti-frigate platforms around, which is kind of their purpose, to in some way shape or form be anti-frigate. Some do it through just completely overwhelming a frigate with firepower, others will do so like this, and inflict heavy penalties on anything small that gets too close. That's still pretty solid.

There is always reason to fly neutralizing ships.