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Faction Warfare - Fixing Amarr/Minmatar Geography

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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#81 - 2012-10-31 22:14:17 UTC
LOL at your fail. Amarr has enough systems for at least Tier 2 (baseline) upgrades. If you could afford FW before the patch in May, you can certainly afford it now. You should stop arguing while you're behind.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#82 - 2012-10-31 22:19:59 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
LOL at your fail. Amarr has enough systems for at least Tier 2 (baseline) upgrades. If you could afford FW before the patch in May, you can certainly afford it now. You should stop arguing while you're behind.


Oh yeah because the amount of resources your enemy can muster does not enter into your chances of success. Nor does the fact that the enemy will naturally get more new recruits thanks to their ability to make more isk.

Before you laugh out loud, and draw attention to yourself, you might want to think about what you write.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#83 - 2012-10-31 22:35:54 UTC
Cearain wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
LOL at your fail. Amarr has enough systems for at least Tier 2 (baseline) upgrades. If you could afford FW before the patch in May, you can certainly afford it now. You should stop arguing while you're behind.


Oh yeah because the amount of resources your enemy can muster does not enter into your chances of success. Nor does the fact that the enemy will naturally get more new recruits thanks to their ability to make more isk.

Before you laugh out loud, and draw attention to yourself, you might want to think about what you write.

I will LOL yet again. Poetic's argument that she can't afford FW on her "meager" Amarrian budget has been proven to be total, complete, utter GARBAGE.

/thread.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#84 - 2012-10-31 22:55:38 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
I will LOL yet again. Poetic's argument that she can't afford FW on her "meager" Amarrian budget has been proven to be total, complete, utter GARBAGE.
Only if I engage in a fair amount of bullshit PvE ... and then just barely afford.

Here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2121081#post2121081
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#85 - 2012-10-31 23:13:10 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
I will LOL yet again. Poetic's argument that she can't afford FW on her "meager" Amarrian budget has been proven to be total, complete, utter GARBAGE.
Only if I engage in a fair amount of bullshit PvE ... and then just barely afford.

Here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2121081#post2121081

If you don't want to participate in occupancy warfare, then why do you think you are entitled to the isk associated with it?

And what makes you so special that you don't think you need to participate in PvE like everybody else in this game (except those of us who go looking for pvp in FW plexes) needs to do to make isk?
Susan Black
Ice Fire Warriors
#86 - 2012-10-31 23:51:11 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:


The current plan is to throw up another viable FW candidate, if Hans decides to run again. Split the vote. The point to keep Hans out of CSM8, if possible. There'll be no FW focus next year anyhow, so no real need to have Hans representing anything.



Nice to hear what your agenda is in your own words. It seems like you don't really care that anything gets fixed, so long as Hans goes down.

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Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#87 - 2012-11-01 00:00:31 UTC
Susan Black wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:


The current plan is to throw up another viable FW candidate, if Hans decides to run again. Split the vote. The point to keep Hans out of CSM8, if possible. There'll be no FW focus next year anyhow, so no real need to have Hans representing anything.



Nice to hear what your agenda is in your own words. It seems like you don't really care that anything gets fixed, so long as Hans goes down.




If "fix" means make an imbalanced system even more lopsided in favor of the winners, I would rather pass.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Silence iKillYouu
Girls Lie But Zkill Doesn't
Pandemic Legion
#88 - 2012-11-01 04:03:46 UTC
all i see is amarr tears

EVE Mail me i dont check forums often.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#89 - 2012-11-01 04:12:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Poetic Stanziel
Susan Black wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
The current plan is to throw up another viable FW candidate, if Hans decides to run again. Split the vote. The point to keep Hans out of CSM8, if possible. There'll be no FW focus next year anyhow, so no real need to have Hans representing anything.
It seems like you don't really care that anything gets fixed ...
What you and I consider fixed are going to be vastly different. I'm more for a playing field that doesn't dictate what side to join or whether I should value PvE over PvP. You're coming down on the opposite side of the fence.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#90 - 2012-11-01 04:29:39 UTC
I've removed off topic posts and attacks. Please keep it civil, thank you.

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode

Senior Lead

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#91 - 2012-11-01 04:43:25 UTC
if you see FW as closed system and want to survive without external resources, fly cheap and/or efficient ships.
If you want to fly expensive stuff, buy plex, do pve or stop seeing FW as closed system.

it is really that simple - no magic involved.

I joined the amarr militia long before inferno and never had any problems to make ISK, not before inferno, not after and not now. I never switched sides, used alts or farmed in gunless frigs. I fly mostly solo which means that i usually don't lose things like battleships but you don't have to fly expensive stuff to have fun. (although losing 80mil isk sentinels is not uncommon in my statistics)

there is no problem. FW is in better shape as it ever was (not saying that you can't improve it)

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#92 - 2012-11-01 07:03:02 UTC
Sura Sadiva wrote:
The Minmatar can do 2xs LP in respect of Amarr cause they worked for this....

What part of "essentially starting with tier 4 with barely any LP required for upgrades" constitutes that work? Due to the map discrepancy the Shakorites are comparable to :insert name of son of fatcat: in that they have a huge economic edge and can afford all the cool toys without doing much of anything (ie. Born with a silver butt-plug)
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:
I've removed off topic posts and attacks. Please keep it civil, thank you.

This is a FW thread. Civility does not exist or is at least not recognized .. if it is then it is promptly shot .. as things should be during a period of civil unrest (militia warfare).Big smile

COAD aint got nothing on us!

PS: Damn, a laptop is a horror to write on .. home, sweet home .. oh how I miss you!
Markius TheShed
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#93 - 2012-11-01 09:29:37 UTC
Veshta Yoshida wrote:

What part of "essentially starting with tier 4 with barely any LP required for upgrades" constitutes that work? Due to the map discrepancy the Shakorites are comparable to :insert name of son of fatcat: in that they have a huge economic edge and can afford all the cool toys without doing much of anything



When the "Surprise" patch came out most of Metro was Minmatar and vulnerable the Amarr could of flipped the warzone around and had permanent tier 4 for themself but instead of organizing a bunker bust campaign the usual suspects preferred to cry on the forums.

5 or 6 of our Tribe spent 2 evenings decontesting the Eugidi constellation and the only Amarr i saw was a bot in a Merlin who was still attempting to speed tank plexes in Vimeini.

Why should the system be changed again to more favor the loser if no one bothers to take the opportunity's that are available.

**Murientor Tribe** a capsuleer organization composed of radical Minmatar. Since YC107
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#94 - 2012-11-01 09:55:10 UTC
Markius TheShed wrote:
Veshta Yoshida wrote:

What part of "essentially starting with tier 4 with barely any LP required for upgrades" constitutes that work? Due to the map discrepancy the Shakorites are comparable to :insert name of son of fatcat: in that they have a huge economic edge and can afford all the cool toys without doing much of anything



When the "Surprise" patch came out most of Metro was Minmatar and vulnerable the Amarr could of flipped the warzone around and had permanent tier 4 for themself but instead of organizing a bunker bust campaign the usual suspects preferred to cry on the forums.

5 or 6 of our Tribe spent 2 evenings decontesting the Eugidi constellation and the only Amarr i saw was a bot in a Merlin who was still attempting to speed tank plexes in Vimeini.

Why should the system be changed again to more favor the loser if no one bothers to take the opportunity's that are available.



Note the 17 systems
Markius TheShed
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#95 - 2012-11-01 10:10:18 UTC
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
Markius TheShed wrote:
Veshta Yoshida wrote:

What part of "essentially starting with tier 4 with barely any LP required for upgrades" constitutes that work? Due to the map discrepancy the Shakorites are comparable to :insert name of son of fatcat: in that they have a huge economic edge and can afford all the cool toys without doing much of anything



When the "Surprise" patch came out most of Metro was Minmatar and vulnerable the Amarr could of flipped the warzone around and had permanent tier 4 for themself but instead of organizing a bunker bust campaign the usual suspects preferred to cry on the forums.

5 or 6 of our Tribe spent 2 evenings decontesting the Eugidi constellation and the only Amarr i saw was a bot in a Merlin who was still attempting to speed tank plexes in Vimeini.

Why should the system be changed again to more favor the loser if no one bothers to take the opportunity's that are available.



Note the 17 systems


Yeah I'm happy that's all you managed to get as the whole warzone was pretty much there to be taken.

**Murientor Tribe** a capsuleer organization composed of radical Minmatar. Since YC107
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#96 - 2012-11-01 10:39:45 UTC
Wow. Very good job spinning gold from straw. So despite being super organized and dedicated you allowed the entire war zone to become vulnerable? And despite dreads being dropped to flip 17 systems you didn't catch one? But you're claiming success from a partial recovery from laziness or incompetence? Gotcha. I'll see you Minmatar elite out on the field of battle.
Markius TheShed
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#97 - 2012-11-01 11:34:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Markius TheShed
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
Wow. Very good job spinning gold from straw. So despite being super organized and dedicated you allowed the entire war zone to become vulnerable? And despite dreads being dropped to flip 17 systems you didn't catch one? But you're claiming success from a partial recovery from laziness or incompetence? Gotcha. I'll see you Minmatar elite out on the field of battle.



I was really responding to Veshta's post saying we were allegedly still crushing you economically with our overwhelming amount of systems etc etc woe is us etc

The fact that the systems were there for you to take was missing in her post of course, We also dropped dreads and mines still intact so i suppose we both fail.

EDIT: And you can't be that skint if you can afford Dreads Blink

**Murientor Tribe** a capsuleer organization composed of radical Minmatar. Since YC107
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#98 - 2012-11-01 12:55:00 UTC
Markius TheShed wrote:
...Why should the system be changed again to more favor the loser if no one bothers to take the opportunity's that are available.

Why do you think there are rules specifically designed to be impartial governing each and every sport, competition, game, et al. in the world and indeed history?

Challenge, Fun, Competition and Adoration/Fandom/Honour (Eve terms: "GF", "GF", "GF" and MAILz!)

Neither will be present in noticeable quantities if one side is given a massive leg up by default .. there is simply no point to competing in a marathon if half the contestant are allowed to use bicycles.

Btw, the systems that were abandoned by the Dreads appear to be all the backwater crap that is the topic of this thread, they are notoriously impossible to defend/hold due to logistics.
How do you think Huola would look if it was 10-15 jumps (with 2+ chokes) from your HQs .. or any system for that matter .. that is what it amounts to.
Sure, we have had times where a corp or two base out of the area and make a dent, but in doing so they are effectively cutting themselves off from the rest of the war and the war is considerably more fun in and around the various HQs as that is where blood flows .. guess why it isn't done anymore .. oh wait I just told you, never mind then!

CCP should revise the entire map layout, failing that (lets face it, never gonna happen) they should seriously consider a few extra connections to open up the backwater farms as suggested.

PS: Why was the ability to see enemy upgraded systems in militia interface removed again?
Certain it was present prior to patch and it would encourage targeting valued systems without resorting to infernal alts or travelling a bazillion jumps taking notes per week.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#99 - 2012-11-01 14:05:08 UTC
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
Wow. Very good job spinning gold from straw. So despite being super organized and dedicated you allowed the entire war zone to become vulnerable? And despite dreads being dropped to flip 17 systems you didn't catch one? But you're claiming success from a partial recovery from laziness or incompetence? Gotcha. I'll see you Minmatar elite out on the field of battle.



Zarnak so we could have had a tier 4 cash out where all our stored up lp would effectively be doubled. (i know I had about 4 million lp stored up and I know several others in amarr had a large amount as well) But your happy that instead all the amarr lp that we had before october 23 needed to be cashed without bonus?

Your also happy to keep doing occupancy plexing were for every thing we get one isk for minmatar get 2.5 isk? I just don't see that you are dong anything other than saving them the trouble of having to roll amarr alts to capture these systems so they can capture them back at 2xs the pay.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#100 - 2012-11-01 14:10:50 UTC
Veshta Yoshida wrote:

Why do you think there are rules specifically designed to be impartial governing each and every sport, competition, game, et al. in the world and indeed history?
Challenge, Fun, Competition and Adoration/Fandom/Honour (Eve terms: "GF", "GF", "GF" and MAILz!)


But this is not a sport-game, is a WARgame. Taking over systems, cutting enemy lines, disrupting their logistic and so on are all core elements of the game. There's no such thing as a "fair" figth, a fight is always unfair for who is losing it.

We do not post a daily whine daily cause our route to Rens is trough a major pirate hub, we adapted and use a different, longer and less heavly camped way.

If you dislike the warzone geography you can change it: capture systems.