EVE General Discussion

Nothing.

Although I have to admit that pvp has changed ALOT over the years.

I came back early 2011 from a 3 year break (shhh I know..bad Nabs), found myself in my (t)rusty Rupture, 5mil Isk on my wallet and a sec of - 6ish.... somewhere in the middle of lowsec.
Within the first 30 minutes of being back to EVE I died to a blob... and another and another.

I ratted my sec back up, took a look at hisec piracy, took a look at hisec wardecs, suicide ganking, went -10, ratted back up... went to 00 (lasted a whole 2 months and I almost died of boredom there), FW yadda yadda.
So husband and me moved back to hisec again....... within a week i was back to -4, ratted back up, decced a corp and then it hit me like a brick while camping 3 wartargets in a station: I dont want to rat up for 3-4 hours just to keep my sec clean enough for 3-5 kills and for sure I dont want to play silly station/docking games anymore.

I moved to lowsec joined a bunch of GREAT guys (love you boys!) and now I am having the blast of my life.
imho having the right people with you/around you, sure changes your pvp experience, and I am not talking about blobb experience, I am talking about the laughter (be it your loss ot the opponents loss) silly situations, win some lose some - if you get to share those moments, pvp shows its true beauty.

Maybe I just look at it from a different perspective :)

It's not even remotely profitable (for me at least).

Interesting, because that was my experience, too - like recommend by lots of people I build 30 rifters with the intention to lose them all and learning pvp that way. But somehow I didn't had the feeling that really worked out - yeah, I lost them, but I can't really say I had the impression that I learned anything. In the end I decided it's not only me being clueless, but that this "get a rifter" is an myth.

There's another thing that's tough for a newbie getting into PVP, that most veterans propably laugh about: All those different ships! I have switched to Thrashers now, but can't really say I am more successfull in PVP then with the rifter. The problem is, when I see another ship on D-scan or even encounter it, I often have forgotten what kind of ship that is and if I have a chance to encounter it successfull. So I either cowardly warp away when I seem to remember it was a badass ship (only to discover afterwards that an Viator isn't that badass... ), or I encounter the ship and die horrible, because it wasn't a T1-frigate like I thought it was.

I am learning ship name and classes now like I used to learn vocabulary several dozen years ago.

Unless you're into blobbing and defending moongoo, there's absolutely no point in PvP interaction in this so called 'pvp-focuesed' game.

Gate campers.

EVE PvP wasn't fun and profitable before Retribution, it won't magically become fun and profitable with 20% of killmail cost.

Also I already PvP non-stop for many hours daily - in newly released Planetside 2. Multi-moon environment and arcade-ish aerial lazors combat with minimal set of modules (couple weapons, couple abilities) is enough of sci-fi PvP for me. It's fun, fast, technically simple - these are primary parts I've missed in EVE version of PvP. Also it give xp - resulting in feeling of progression while EVE PvP gives me feeling of degeneration (due to time and monetary losses). Also PS2 has its own TEST alliance version.

I have started to PVP now, but I remember when I didn’t want to and it was for a number of reasons.

1. At the beginning I was afraid of losing my ship.
2. I also didn’t have a regular source of good income in order to pay for loses.
3. I had the impression that everyone that did pvp had done it for ages and would wipe the floor with me.
4. Not sure how to fit ships properly.
5. I just didn’t know what to do.
6. I used to have implants too people dont want to lose them

Now most of the kills I have now are in fleet with my corp mates (in fact i think they all are), Ive yet to get into solo PVP and the main reason for that is that I am not sure really where to go in order to get solo reds to fight, where I am they tend to be in fleets, or expensive ships (or both).

Excellent thread. Really. Amazing how many people pointed out that there's just no point, or that it's not fun.

I mean, common wisdom of this forum suggests it's risk aversion, or fear, on inability to do it. But it seems much simpler for most folks. Like "what do i get out of it?" and "it's not fun when I do it" (regardless of whether they win or lose).

Also an interesting thing is time constraints. This is actually my personal reason for not PvPing right now. My life is fairly hectic at the moment, and going on 2 hr roam is just totally out of the question. It's rare that I can sit and play 30 mins in one sitting. That pretty much precludes the possibility of any serious PvP in EVE. So I get my PvP fix in GW2 or some other game.

The fact that suicides are about all that's left for making a profit from pvping should be an indicator of how seriously borked piracy is getting and why there's barely anything except killboard padders/bored carebear alts doing it nowadays. Under the pretense of fairness and helping teh noobies, CCP has been steadily removing the profit from PvP in EVE.

A moment of silence for the loss or weakening of the following pvp for profit methods, killed before their time by rampant bear pandering:

1) Canflipping: If nothing else, you had the potential to steal ore and make a little profit that way. If you managed to flag a mining barge, you had the potential for a ransom or at least some juicy loot without having to sacrifice your ship. Or the miner could kill you or have friends waiting to kill you because, you know, you were flagged to his whole alliance (which isn't enough apparently).

CCP killed that overnight with orebays. EHP buff in the face of the new high-alpha BCs and destroyers possibly could have been defended, but an orebay? Seriously? Because GSCs and friends/alts to haul the loot were just too much to ask? No wonder miners get treated like bots so often.

2) Dec ransoming: Dec costs went up by because that 50+ man indy corp refused to jump in cruisers and blob the one or two guys war decing them. As a side effect, CCP also hamstringed the mercenary corp profession by introducing the allies mechanic allowing buttloads of cheap help looking for nothing but easy kills turning wars into public derp fests.

3) Ninjaing: Lvl 4 runners have been whining for these guys to be concorded literally for years. The defense was always that wrecks were neutral. But CCP caved a in a little bit at a time, first by introducing theft flagging (yes, originally stealing wasn't flagable, but CONCORD was also tank/evadeble), then removing the ability to tractor other's wrecks and finally with the global theft flag set to come in Crimewatch.

4) Incursion rep flagging: Skunkworks caused so much damage doing this in the form of billions upon billions of shinies lost that CCP took action within WEEKS "for the greater good of the community."

5) Lowsec/Null piracy: Probably the oldest one on the list, it's been slowly debilitated as a result of skewed risk/reward mechanics leading to low/null being EVE's arena system while the isk flows down from Trammel/Highsec.

6) Bumper harass/Awoxing: I'm putting this on the list for when CCP inevitably destroys them too because they were never "intended" to make a profit.

+10000000000

Don't forget safety settings on the guns now as well.

"Eve is a harsh and cold world".