Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Only tried the Minmatar one so far. I like it, but the fitting stats felt a bit low (really hard to fit Missile Launchers?) There's only one thing I think is quite ugly: launcher hardpoints.

Most of the ship is perfectly symmetric, but one launcher slot on the top/bottom seems to be empty (due to max. number of 7 launchers).

I'd remove the four hardpoints on the front of the ship, fill the empty one and add one somewhere centered.

Probably easier to understand with an image: http://i.imgur.com/DD4in.jpg

And let's not forget the Badger. So, we could see a Wolverine.

Anyway, what is all this concern with names? It is the performance of a ship that matters. A ship could be named "pooped diaper" and look the same, and I'd still stuff my pod inside it if it did what it was meant to do.

Ibis - bird
Bantam - bird
Condor - bird
Griffin - half bird
Heron - bird
Kestrel - bird
Merlin - bird
Caldari Navy Hookbill - bird
Harpy - bird
Hawk - bird
Buzzard - bird
Manticore - has wings
Kitsune - fox
Crow - bird
Raptor - almost bird, feathers involved.
Cormorant - bird
Flycatcher - bird
Osprey - bird
Blackbird - its in the damn name
Caracal - cat
Moa - bird
Cerberus - dog
Eagle - bird
Onyx - stone
Basilisk - bird
Falcon - bird
Rook - bird
Tengu - bird
Drake - bird
Ferox - fish
Nighthawk - bird
Vulture - bird
Raven - bird
Rokh - bird
Scorpion - Arachnid
Widow - sad lady, or extremely happy lady...
Golem - stone
Badger - don't give a
Bustard - bird
Crane - bird
Leviathan - fish
Chimera - could have wings
Wyvern - winged dragon
Phoenix - bird
Charon - avid boater
Rhea - bird
I think the birds win out.

Well ... the obvious choice since it has seven launcher points now is Hydra.

Shrike. A little bird of prey which lacks talons. So it finds anything sharp like a barbed fence or cactus or branch to impale its prey like lizards, frogs, insects onto to eat or show off to a mate. Also known as the Butcher Bird. Sounds like a missile ship name to me.

I really like the Gallente destroyer. After a few fights I've settled on the following for my TQ fit on December 4th:

High:
75mm Rail II x 5
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator
Med:
Limited MWD
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor
Low:
DC II
EANM II
400mm plate II
Rigs:
Trimark x 3

With faction AM and hobgoblins I get about 285 DPS. Javelin pushes that to 297 with horrible range. The fitting screen tells me I have 10.8k EHP. I'm not sure where EFT would have it at. With regards to the art and as I said elsewhere, It probably has the best detail of any Eve ship I've ever seen. The front and rear have a WWII cockpit/ tailgunner look with the bulbous segmented panes. There appears to be horizontal plating along the fuselage - gives it a 1930's plane feel. The fuselage is curved in that vintage fashion as well. The two arching wings are the drone bays. If you look at the ship from the rear you can see the hangars as well as green light 'barrier' that shimmers back and forth. There is a rotating 'radar'. It's just a really good job per the art.

Minmatar and Caldari:

The missile boats will be popular. I don't think the speed of the Caldari destroyer (1440m/s) lends itself well to a rocket setup. The minmatar one (1700m/s) you could probably get away with. They will be very dangerous in fleet setups. You will probably need halo or snake implants plus a loki booster to really make the minmatar one shine.

I think the Caldari dessy is drop dead gorgeous. The minmatar definitely had some work put into it as well. You may not like it - but the detail is there. It's sheer, brutal utilitarian design. Slanted plates on the rear. The armoured cockpit. The 'sonar'. It's one of those ships that in a year when someone mentions how ugly it is you'll have quite a few people rush to it's defense.

Amarr Destroyer:

I'm not a fan. You can see the drone bays on the Gallente destroyer. As you look for the same on the Amarr one you see what looks like a USB port on each side. Really? On top of that it looks too much like the coercer. The more Nos or Nuets you use the more bare the turret slots look on the ship. I haven't heard anyone say something positive about the art on this one yet. I'm sorry - that's just the brutal truth of it.

As for function - I couldn't find a fit I was happy with. I couldn't sqeeze a 400mm plate onto it without using all the rig spots for ancillary current routers or coprocessors. Even if you go with a 200mm plate you still need fitting help if you fill all the highs with nuets and nos. If you go three rocket launchers and three nuets- you don't need fitting help, get about 9k EHP, and do a 'massive' 240 DPS.

It honestly needs tank more then the Gallente one. Either give it a higher PG, or slide a high to a low.

People keep saying it looks like a Coercer. I think this is more from a generalized idea of what a Coercer looks like, than from a side-by-side comparison. The Coercer has two rows of four rear-facing spikes, it has a bridge on the top, it has angled middle under-bits, it has a giant hole in the center of the ship, it has other gaps near the fore of the ship, it has a few unarmored bits around the hole, but is otherwise is completely armored. It's flat and wide.

And what does the new destroyer look like? Well, it has two large split-off protusions at the front, which is probably the entirety of what people mean when they say it looks like a Coercer. It also has two graven images on those protrusions which I reckon looks a bit like a holy man neuting the hell out of a tortured kneeling man. It has rows of forward facing lights hidden under the protrusions, it has five giant panels that are probably the (unusual) drone bays on the upper end of its backside, it has a little animated radar, it has lots of armor on top and lots of exposed unarmored guts that hang below. It looks a bit like a ship mounted on top of another ship attached to a trailer filled with drones and bearing the engines. It's very, uh, tubuluar, not flat, not wide. Basically it looks like a truck.

I never put turrets on it, but the three launchers look alright - you can see them in that first link above.



I'm not sure what nosses with neuts get you, but



Gets 10k EHP (EVE would say 9k) and the injector keeps everything running at 50%ish cap.

Speaking of solving problems with a MAPC, with a T2 MAPC you can get



11k EHP (EVE would say 10k). That seems reasonable.

Look at it this way: after fitting the high+med slots on the destroyer you've got 20 PG to work with. After fitting the high+med slots on the Coercer (with DLP) you've got 40 PG to work with. After fitting the high+med slots on the Coercer (with, uh, SFPL) you've got 15+ish PG to work with.

So a Coercer can downgrade its guns for tank, and the new destroyer can blow a lowslot on PG for its tank. And the new destroyer has one more lowslot than the Coercer has. Meaning the Winter Coercer, ofc.



It's slow. It's really, really slow. With no trimarks and two overdrive injectors, it gains about 50m/s on a shield Thrasher with no speed mods (other than MWD). It's slower than a Coercer and a Coercer is fully effective at longer range. I feel like it has some kind of inappropriate pre-nerfing over the range of its drones.

Actually someone suggested Peregrine and I personally like that name for that destroyer. Somehow, that name "clicked" with me and that boat.

the CPU on this boat IMHO needs to be increased...it's difficult to fit without needing cpu rigs.

This is a whole lot of rude words for "the Caldari destroyer's PG is terrible." I think you could make that argument better. Like, "Caldari's new destroyer has highslots which cost about as much as or more PG than the old destroyer's highslots (T2 125mm rail = meta missile launchers). This is true of no other new destroyer. Maybe lowering its PG along with the others was just an oversight?"

Don't bother with the other destroyers. 'cause, yeah, I do think the new Amarr destroyer's stats are intended. It's not fitting eight lasers in its highs. A Coercer with highest-tier guns uses about 3x the PG that the new destroyer would use with 3 neuts + 3 rocket launchers. The new destroyer can fit a reasonable armor tank without any fitting mods at all, and only needs a MAPC to max it out. It's in a much better state than the Caldari destroyer.