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[Winter] New destroyers

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Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#881 - 2012-10-30 02:18:34 UTC
Name the Caldari destroyer Barracuda.

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Sard Caid
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#882 - 2012-10-30 03:38:55 UTC
Had a lot of fun with the new destroyers over the weekend. I was able to try out all of them for quite a few matches versus both the new and older destroyers. I did not try out either the Minmatar or Caldari destroyers as light missile boats, as they were quite competitive and fun with rockets.

The MWD bonus of the drones really helped drones scream in on their target, however drone AI issues still forced pilots to have to spam 'all drones engage' commands to keep them on target. Versus other destroyers it wasn't much of an issue, as light drones do a pretty good job of keeping up with slower moving destroyers. However I easily see the AI issue being as much of a problem with the Amarr and Gallente destroyers as it is for any drone user versus MWDing frigates. This however is a problem with drones, not the ships or the bonuses.
Opertone
State War Academy
Caldari State
#883 - 2012-10-30 13:04:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Opertone
Seriously, CCP.

What is the odd drone bandwidth meant for? So 35 MB the new gally dessie can field what? 3 Hammerheads and one hobgoblin? How smart is that? 5 Hobgoblins are more efficient.

Drones tend to die, they need hit point bonuses, or extra bay capacity to launch another wave.

I never understood Raven with 75 MB bandwidth - field 3 HEAVIEs? 5 Hammerheads do over all more damage and more consistently.

ninja: Amarr destroyer looks, like amar destroyer + coffin.

minmatar destroyer - what... coffin + solar panels uwhhhhh

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Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#884 - 2012-10-30 13:05:36 UTC
I'm still waiting on confirmation that the new Gallente destroyer is a six turret boat. That is what was on duality.
Opertone
State War Academy
Caldari State
#885 - 2012-10-30 13:12:51 UTC
Also caldari New Dessie totally mirrors Caldari interdictor Flycatcher in bonuses and weapon systems

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CCP Ytterbium
C C P
C C P Alliance
#886 - 2012-10-30 14:56:57 UTC
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
I'm still waiting on confirmation that the new Gallente destroyer is a six turret boat. That is what was on duality.


Thanks for the notice - it's supposed to have 5 as lastly announced, and will be looked into.
Warde Guildencrantz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#887 - 2012-10-30 15:08:38 UTC
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
I'm still waiting on confirmation that the new Gallente destroyer is a six turret boat. That is what was on duality.


Thanks for the notice - it's supposed to have 5 as lastly announced, and will be looked into.



how about their names? When will we know those?

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Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
Masters of Flying Objects
#888 - 2012-10-30 15:09:58 UTC
Warde Guildencrantz wrote:
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
I'm still waiting on confirmation that the new Gallente destroyer is a six turret boat. That is what was on duality.


Thanks for the notice - it's supposed to have 5 as lastly announced, and will be looked into.



how about their names? When will we know those?

There is talk about a new build on duality today. Hopefully
It should include the names in it. The current duality build is over a week old.

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Warde Guildencrantz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#889 - 2012-10-30 15:14:29 UTC
LoRDa RaMOs wrote:
CCP Goliath wrote:
Recoil IV wrote:
name for the caldari destroyer : Goliath


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The case against: That would be for the Minmatar, Amarr or Gallente, since Mythology is common in their ship names. I applaud this name being applied to a model though.

A wild Caldari Destroyer appears: If there's anyone listening, I would recommend an endangered sea bird species, like The Albatross: 'The albatrosses and petrels are "amongst the most severely threatened taxa worldwide' according to http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0006320703001782 and more importantly, this jewel about the Black-browed Albatross, a mildly endangered species 'This species has been observed stealing food from other species' Twisted as stated by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black-browed_Albatross#cite_note-Poncet-14

Other choices include Pelican and Shoebill (because Shoebills look badass), due to their taxonomic relation to familiar names as Ibises and Herons.

Btw, something curious for you Devs to joke about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goliath_heron

Looking forward to these ships.


Or it could be named something not lame like names similar to drake wyvern chimera naga leviathan etc.

see the following:

amphitere, ouroboros, hydra, amphisbaena, gargoyle, serpent, bakunawa, yilbegan, zmaj, cuelebre, vritra, ryu, scultone, dragua, zilant, ejderha, orochi, and the python as well, and likely more.

while you are at it change the worm's name to wyrm...

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Goldensaver
Maraque Enterprises
Just let it happen
#890 - 2012-10-30 15:53:51 UTC
Warde Guildencrantz wrote:

Or it could be named something not lame like names similar to drake wyvern chimera naga leviathan etc.

see the following:

amphitere, ouroboros, hydra, amphisbaena, gargoyle, serpent, bakunawa, yilbegan, zmaj, cuelebre, vritra, ryu, scultone, dragua, zilant, ejderha, orochi, and the python as well, and likely more.

while you are at it change the worm's name to wyrm...

I wouldn't consider something bird-based for a name as "lame", due to the fact that almost every Caldari Sub-cap is also named after a bird, such as the: Drake, Merlin, Raven, Rokh, Moa, Blackbird, Caracal, Hookbill, Kestrel, Hawk, and far, far more.

I'd say it would be very Caldari for the new destroyer to be named after a bird, and not "lame" because it follows in their naming pattern. Sure, there are some exceptions, and it wouldn't actually hurt for it to be named something else, but I feel hurt that you would consider naming it after a bird... lame.

Personally, I think naming it after a small-medium sized bird of prey would actually be one of the better names for it, however I'm not totally against something out of mythology, or something that isn't a bird for a name.

Also, I don't understand how you think Drake isn't a lame name, when you think that bird-of-prey names are lame. I mean come on, a male duck?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/drake
ColdCutz
Frigonometry
#891 - 2012-10-30 16:00:53 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
Name the Caldari destroyer Barracuda.

Barracuda isn't a bird



also
ColdCutz wrote:
Name the Caldari destroyer Albatross.
Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#892 - 2012-10-30 16:12:51 UTC
Opertone wrote:
Seriously, CCP.

What is the odd drone bandwidth meant for? So 35 MB the new gally dessie can field what? 3 Hammerheads and one hobgoblin? How smart is that? 5 Hobgoblins are more efficient.

Drones tend to die, they need hit point bonuses, or extra bay capacity to launch another wave.

I never understood Raven with 75 MB bandwidth - field 3 HEAVIEs? 5 Hammerheads do over all more damage and more consistently.

ninja: Amarr destroyer looks, like amar destroyer + coffin.

minmatar destroyer - what... coffin + solar panels uwhhhhh


Just a little tip. Always field al 5 drones when possible. For a 35MB bandwith that means 2 Medium drones and 3 light and for a 75MB Bandwith that means 2 heavy, 2 medium and 1 light.

But i agree that the 35MB bandwith is a bit odd. Especially when 5 lights are better against frigs than 2 medium + 3 lights.

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Warde Guildencrantz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#893 - 2012-10-30 16:16:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Warde Guildencrantz
Goldensaver wrote:
Warde Guildencrantz wrote:

Or it could be named something not lame like names similar to drake wyvern chimera naga leviathan etc.

see the following:

amphitere, ouroboros, hydra, amphisbaena, gargoyle, serpent, bakunawa, yilbegan, zmaj, cuelebre, vritra, ryu, scultone, dragua, zilant, ejderha, orochi, and the python as well, and likely more.

while you are at it change the worm's name to wyrm...

I wouldn't consider something bird-based for a name as "lame", due to the fact that almost every Caldari Sub-cap is also named after a bird, such as the: Drake, Merlin, Raven, Rokh, Moa, Blackbird, Caracal, Hookbill, Kestrel, Hawk, and far, far more.

I'd say it would be very Caldari for the new destroyer to be named after a bird, and not "lame" because it follows in their naming pattern. Sure, there are some exceptions, and it wouldn't actually hurt for it to be named something else, but I feel hurt that you would consider naming it after a bird... lame.

Personally, I think naming it after a small-medium sized bird of prey would actually be one of the better names for it, however I'm not totally against something out of mythology, or something that isn't a bird for a name.

Also, I don't understand how you think Drake isn't a lame name, when you think that bird-of-prey names are lame. I mean come on, a male duck?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/drake


As from the wikipedia disambiguation page:

Drake is a term used to describe (particular types of) dragon or similar draconic creatures.

That's a very obvious one, I don't know why you would rather associate its name with a duck. There are enough bird names for caldari ships, get on with the dragon names, bird names sound pathetic. I don't like flying around my mallard as others get to fly around their bayonette, zeus, and apostate.

I'll admit albatross would be a decent name though. Each race has more than one naming theme however. Minmatar are weapons/catastrophes/norse gods, amarr are apocalypse-synonyms/religious terms/torture-synonyms, gallente are greek mythology/latin names, while caldari are birds/dragon names...caldari has way more bird names than their secondary naming structure for dragon names, so I really think naming a missile boat (typically the missile boats tend more towards the dragon names...) after a type of dragon is best.

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ColdCutz
Frigonometry
#894 - 2012-10-30 16:17:52 UTC
They need to simply bump it to 40mb/s so four medium drones can be deployed.
Zyella Stormborn
Green Seekers
#895 - 2012-10-30 16:36:53 UTC
Mizhir wrote:
Opertone wrote:
Seriously, CCP.

What is the odd drone bandwidth meant for? So 35 MB the new gally dessie can field what? 3 Hammerheads and one hobgoblin? How smart is that? 5 Hobgoblins are more efficient.

Drones tend to die, they need hit point bonuses, or extra bay capacity to launch another wave.

I never understood Raven with 75 MB bandwidth - field 3 HEAVIEs? 5 Hammerheads do over all more damage and more consistently.

ninja: Amarr destroyer looks, like amar destroyer + coffin.

minmatar destroyer - what... coffin + solar panels uwhhhhh


Just a little tip. Always field al 5 drones when possible. For a 35MB bandwith that means 2 Medium drones and 3 light and for a 75MB Bandwith that means 2 heavy, 2 medium and 1 light.

But i agree that the 35MB bandwith is a bit odd. Especially when 5 lights are better against frigs than 2 medium + 3 lights.


But not better against cruisers / BC's. I guess its giving them the option, which is kind of nice. Also it can field 2 medium ECM drones, which are more powerful than lights, are they not?

/shrug. Just trying to look through their eyes. ;)

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Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#896 - 2012-10-30 16:40:47 UTC
ColdCutz wrote:
They need to simply bump it to 40mb/s so four medium drones can be deployed.


i think you missed the point of the destroyers stated in the OP.
these are anti frig role based ship using cruiser sized drones on frigs is just plain wrong and ineffective.

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Lili Lu
#897 - 2012-10-30 16:47:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Lili Lu
Mizhir wrote:
Opertone wrote:
Seriously, CCP.

What is the odd drone bandwidth meant for? So 35 MB the new gally dessie can field what? 3 Hammerheads and one hobgoblin? How smart is that? 5 Hobgoblins are more efficient.

Drones tend to die, they need hit point bonuses, or extra bay capacity to launch another wave.

I never understood Raven with 75 MB bandwidth - field 3 HEAVIEs? 5 Hammerheads do over all more damage and more consistently.

ninja: Amarr destroyer looks, like amar destroyer + coffin.

minmatar destroyer - what... coffin + solar panels uwhhhhh


Just a little tip. Always field al 5 drones when possible. For a 35MB bandwith that means 2 Medium drones and 3 light and for a 75MB Bandwith that means 2 heavy, 2 medium and 1 light.

But i agree that the 35MB bandwith is a bit odd. Especially when 5 lights are better against frigs than 2 medium + 3 lights.

Medium drones are terrible against frigs, even with a painter. However, one could drop a heavy along with two lights. The dps is not so great but the alpha potential is. Heavys hit small ships better if the small ship's flight path is not good. The heavys have the range take advantage of unfortunate flight path mistakes.

edit - still probably better to go with 5 lights. Anyway, the higher bandwidth does give this destroyer the potential for some unexpected punch against other destroyers and cruisers.
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#898 - 2012-10-30 16:49:50 UTC
mm.. a sentry with some warriors could work.... if only they made small sentries

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Lili Lu
#899 - 2012-10-30 16:55:27 UTC
Harvey James wrote:
mm.. a sentry with some warriors could work.... if only they made small sentries

True, i forgot the range factor. Dropping a sentry and two lights would be rather a terror if this destroyer is sitting at range. Especially if the desroyer is purely fit as firesupport and not tackle. An omnidirectional will help that destroyer blap at range like the missile destroyers can.

So all in all the 35 bandwidth is not wasted, even if not as welcome as possibly putting out 7 light drones, which would never happen anyway.P
Jame Jarl Retief
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#900 - 2012-10-30 17:19:22 UTC
Opertone wrote:
minmatar destroyer - what... coffin + solar panels uwhhhhh[/b]


It's not a coffin, it's a solar-powered tanning bed.

Also, in reply to another poster above, small sentries idea has been bounced around quite a bit, and I really like it. Though I still wish sentries would have SOME mobility, regardless of size. As in, when you recalled them, they would warp to you the same way as probes do. Flying back to recover them is just too much of a hassle in too many cases.