EVE General Discussion

tl;dr

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Attacking other players is a high-risk action with often totally unpredictable results. Even in PvP activity players do everything to lower their risks. They camp gates with buddies, use recon ships and so on. There is a part of eve community, which consists of players who play solo and don't want to meet an enemy and 10+ of his friends against their single ship.

I was a 0.0 and low sec pvper for my first 3 years of eve. Luckily when i joined my house mate had already been playing for ages so after about a week of training SP and getting the hang of ship control I joined his corp in 0.0 and a few days after that I was in a 300 per side battle against BOB as a tackler. After a little more time I become a fleet scout and then got into battleships, T2 etc etc.

Throughout those 3 years i was in huge 1000+ battles, smaller battles, small roaming gangs, pirate gangs, soloing. I tried ewar, covert ops, cap ship, gunboats, droneboats, missile boats etc etc


For quite a while now i have been a pure high sec carebear. I got bored of pvp. Lots of waiting about, lots of roaming about trying to find a fight.

And then when there was a fight (if its big) you just sit still and fire on the primarys for an hour or more. Sometime the FC will have a neat tactic where by the fleet moves about while fighting etc but thats just a case of align here and shoot primary.

PVP is just boring - the only fast paced action you get is as a tackler - closest thing to dog fighting you can get in this game and while it is fun, it also involves the endless waits for fleets to form and then to find another fleet to fight etc.

If something could be done to make the larger ship fighting to be more of a dog fight rather than just 300 ships all firing on one ship till it pops and then on another etc - then id be alot more interested.


The issue of waiting around would remain tho - since if you want decent pvp you realistically have to move to 0.0, what would i do for the long periods of time when there isnt a fight/fleet/gang going? In highsec I live near Jita and i trade,build etc and generally play with industry.

What would i do in 0.0? I hate mining, the markets dont move and only really exist for mods/ammo/ships/basic materials etc

AND theres the constant moving about, even if your not turfed out by rivals, alliances are always moving all over the bloody place and its an epic ballache.


tldr, pvp is alot of ballache for very little fun

...nothing

* Idiot FCs
* Ignorant FCs
* Dumb-arse FCs
* Interminable sitting doing nothing
* Interminable flying around looking for "targets"
* retreating from blobs whose members think they're the greatest peeveepee-ers in the known universe...

Shall I go on? I find my own fights, and only join fleets with people I know.

I have never PvP'd since my creation back in 2009. Only deaths on my KB are a couple of ganks when I tried exploring in Null. I play other games a lot and I pvp an awful lot, more than I do pve so i have often wondered why I dont pvp in eve. Its not based on ISK as I have almost 10bn and its not about losing as I have pvp'd an awful lot on better pvp games and got my butt kicked many times. I think its more to do with time loss. As eve learning is time based getting the maximum amount of skill points per sub fee is important to me, I want value for my money. I would not be prepared to pvp with any implants and I am not prepared to lose significant amounts of time by pvping without any. Now if I could jump into my implant free clone for a couple of hours pvp then jump back to my implant clone after i finished then I guess I would pvp more. However you have to wait 24hrs to jump back and losing 20-22 hours of improved skill learning is unacceptable to me.

I enjoy pvp and pve. Sometimes I dont feel like doing pvp so I go do pve. Whether mining or missioning. PVE is fun to me. Hisec gives me the opportunity to enjoy the pve side of eve. If I want pve with pvp then Ill go to low/null/wh to get that experience.

What keeps me from pvp is that sometimes i just dont want to pvp. Like in non mmo games, I dont always play the multiplayer side. Sometimes I enjoy the singleplayer and coop experience of the game.

What keeps me out of kspace pvp is the local channel. I prefer jspace because of the delayed local channel. If lowsec and nullsec had delayed local, i would spend a lot more time out there.

Oh and if frigates had a sort of cockpit type view and could be flown with a flight stick and throttle and pedals, Id be doing frig pvp all the time. Also the lack of full ship control ruins the experience of pvp for me. Only thrusters on the ships are on the rear. Why no other thrusters to allow for full control? Like in Battlestar Galactica tv series, the maneuver thrusters on the vipes and raptors.

When I first started playing eve, I started with the expectations of some cockpit view type dogfights. Disappointed I continued to play, but mostly the pve side with occasional pvp. The instant warp scram and web function in the game through click of a module is kind of boring too. I wish we could target more than just the opponent ship.

I wish we could target various systems. ie. propulsion, warp drive, weapons, sensors...... Also the lack of graphical damage to the ships makes most aspects of eve quite boring. Flames from the thrusters when in low structure is primative for a game with such polished graphics.

Also inability to lock camera behind the ship and slightly above to give a sort of over the shoulder fly along view keeps me from wanting to pvp. I love flight sims and flight combat sims. I love first person shooters and first person rpgs like BF and Elder Scrolls because of the immersion. When zooming out to a birds eye view of a bunch of icons on screen is done, I am removed from the experience and I get bored. Having to adjust the camera view while clicking in space to get my ship to turn and go makes the thrill and excitement of pvp not so entertaining. If only I could use my flight control system x52 on this game with the camera locked behind and slightly above my ship with the ability to target and shoot the different systems of my opponent.......well then pvp in EVE is all I would want to ever do.

Diablo Ex wrote:
Honestly, what keeps me from PvP combat (even though I have done it on occasion) is simply the fact that I'm not interested.
I don't get a woody over the idea that I must amass a huge kill board to prove that I am a success. It does not inflate my ego one iota. When I do "PvP" it's because it is something to do, or it is necessary in order to accomplish some other goal. Going out in a combat ship to kill other players is IMHO very repulsive and moronic. It serves no higher purpose than getting a cheap thrill at another's expense. Seriously, I know that statement will offend some of you, that's fair... we are equally offended.

I served my time in RL Military, I've seen the elephant, and I know what it takes to achieve an objective. For me combat is a means to an end... it is NOT a cheap adrenaline pseudo-drug trip. I play EvE because it is a complex and challenging emersive game environment, as well as a social outlet. My toon (Diablo) is trained primarily to be a supporting role in combat, not a simpleton grunt with a gun trying to get his Epeen on. I hate with a passion these young kids nowdays with the "Bully" or "Thug" mentalities. They are a societal blight, not worth the brown stain in my shorts. It's too bad that they can't find a more meaningful purpose to their lives than simply ganking unwilling and peaceful highsec carebears just because they can...

I guess that makes me a "Real Life" BitterVet

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Ictineekey wrote:


much has been said about time ... time to train, time to prepare/fit your ship, and time to find an honorable opponent while dodging all the muggers

much has been said about the cost of losing your ship/fit/implants

the bottom line in my opinion is that it comes down to fair competition vice unfair competition - nobody likes to be on the receiving end of a mugging by some bully that thinks might makes right (and at the individual and gang level, when it’s non-consensual, that's all it is - a mugging)

I believe many more players would engage in individual/gang PvP if the mechanics existed to ensure a fair and competitive contest conducted in some organized fashion. I'm specifically excluding corps/alliances because of the wardec and tournament systems.

While there dozens of ways to do this, they all involve three things: 1) consent to engage in the contest; 2) some way to determine your chances of survival before you consent for decline the engagement; and 3) some minimum form of organization to the competitions. I don't care if you have a system of challenge lists, or arenas, or continual tournaments, or whatever - just organize it, instantly pop anybody who is not part of the competition assisting a competitor (i.e. remote repper), show competitors fits prior to consent, and agree to take part in the competition

There are few things better than the feeling you get after winning a tough but fair fight - there are few things more upsetting than getting your teeth kicked in because your opponent didn't fight fair - we don't stand for anarchy and roaming gangs mugging random people in RL - why should we stand for it in eve pvp?

If I was a Klingon I might say something like 'there is no honor in defeating a weakling, and only cowards pick fights with weaklings ... honorable combat, and the joy derived from it, comes from combat between equals or defeating a superior enemy after making the decision that losing everything you have is worth the attempt'

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There is no value in being a suicide terrorist. And that is what most pvp in eve seems to be. There is no real sense of accompishment. Being a bully or being a bully's victim just seems dumb and pointless.

I am very competitive in every facet of my RL. I am very competitive in eve also.
My fun in eve is to survive and prosper in spite of being surrounded by terrorists that keep trying to entice me to come over to the dark side.

I to have done pvp in other games but eve pvp is just stupid.

Confirming all pvp is in fleets.

I choose to not PVP because I'm a forum alt. In fact, I also choose not to log in or have any training running.

Come to think of it, I pretty much choose to have nothing whatsoever to do with the actual game part of this fine forum.

Mr Epeen