EVE General Discussion

The problem that I have with those threads is that they constantly take up space on the front page of GD. Its just clutter, and removing clutter is the entire purpose of locking duplicate threads. Just because there may have been 15 of them before, reducing the number to 5 doesn't make the remainder any less 'duplicate'.

Don't muddy the waters here - this is not a 'grey area' or 'technicality.'
"Like and get Likes' is even worse, its simply a thread about itself. Hundreds of pages of 'no EVE content'. And threads 'with no EVE content' are locked in every other case I've ever seen.

If the threads were actually EVE related, I'd not have a problem but even a cursory glance at them indicates they are just chatrooms for a small group of serial posters. There is a forum for this kind of thing - its called OOPE.

If I could hide threads, I'd be happy. But that is not possible.
If rules weren't quite so strictly enforced, I could let it slide.
But today, they are....so at least enforce them uniformly.

Those threads are obnoxious to a hell of a lot of forum posters.
So get on with it and enforce your own rules - or remove the rule entirely and let others **** up the forum with nonsense posts.

Solutions in order of preference:
A) Lock the threads.
B) Lock the redundant threads, and keep "Rate this Avatar", move "Like and get Likes" to OOPE.
C) Move all of them to OOPE (but prepare from complaints from OOPE residents, because they understand that these threads are simply eyesores, and they hate being dumping grounds for crap threads.)

I have replied to that specific issue separately, but once again, please use this thread for discussing moderation in general terms, not specific actions.

thanks.

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What exactly is the goal of this moderation? To make the forums as boring as possible? Does CCP and the ISD think people come here just for the privilege of being around their posts?

I'd rather not see blue/isd posts unless it's specifically about EVE (as in the game EVE).

I have my own opinions about the quality of their opinion posts which I have to keep silent, I think they should keep silent to.

Since this has been an issue over the last few weeks, I'd like to point it out :



There have been a number of incidents over the last few weeks where members of ISD have been subject to abuse.

This rule also includes ISD staff, and any users of these forums who abuse, flame, or make personal attacks on members of the ISD Volunteer team will be subject to the same zero tolerance policy.

While both CCP and the ISD Volunteer team enjoy banter, a little humor and fun times, there has to be a line. This is not something that we want to have to do, but those who cross the line will be subject to the appropriate action for violation of this rule.

I agree to an extent, allow me to explain :

If you have anything you'd like to say about EVE, or would like to contribute to the community in a positive way then you're more than welcome to post on these forums so long as you do so in a civil manner that falls within the rules, and the post is placed in the relevant section of the forums for the discussion. Constructive criticism and pointers on improvement are also massively valued from players. We love to hear what you'd like us to work on for the game, because as well as being players, you're also our customers.

That said, these forums need to act as a good, solid conduit for discussion. That's why the rules are in place. When they're broken, people are dealt with accordingly.

In terms of ISD, I agree with you to an extent.

You must however remember that there are also people behind those ISD avatars you see, and those people are volunteers, who aren't paid by CCP, and should not have to deal with abuse, slander, flaming and personal attacks. Those people volunteer their spare time to assist us, and more often than not are in the line of fire along with the Community Team when players get agitated.

This can be a massive task, and CCP have nothing but endless thanks for the ISD volunteer team for their assistance, regardless of their division and duty.

I was an ISD volunteer for many years before I joined CCP, so I'm speaking from personal experience here. Please bear in mind that it also helps them do their duties as volunteers if they can become more familiar with the Community under their ISD persona, and build a little rapport with the playerbase. This is why they're allowed a little freedom to enter discussion and speak with people as volunteers.

I hope you can understand this

...no but seriously, in regards to the constant (and latest) spamming and trolling that has been going on here for who knows how long now; to whomever decides how these forums are run: seriously, what the heck do you do against these pests? Do you just lock threads and pat the offenders on their heads whilst giving them milk and cookies or do you guys actually deal with these guys in a serious way?

And by serious I mean tracking down every single account that is tied to the poster (which should be easy as pie) and using the mighty ban-hammer for a period of time. A long long period of time.

Sure these forums are rowdy by nature and all, but at the same time it is getting too annoying seeing this group of wannabe's posting useless stuff all the time. And then there are the outright spammers who probably haven't even grown pubes yet. Why do we even need them at all?

Rough attitude, cheekiness and sarcasm aside, there is a too high level of disrespect towards CCP in general and frankly the forum moderators start to look like wimps in my eyes - regardless of whether their own hands are tied or not. And this reflects directly on the content that is in this forum. A certain amount of silliness, fun threads and stuff is always fine, but outright trash; it really starts to get on your nerves after a while.

I don't see any regular players in there, yet I recall it was advertised in the MOTDs in the help channels. That's so sad. I'd meant to attend but couldn't find the channel to go to. I guess I wasn't the only one who couldn't figure out where to go...

First thing's first. I'm really pleased that this thread actually showed up and didn't get pushed into the SoonTM pile that I expected it to land in when the other discuss moderation topic got unstickied.

Next up.

Sorry, but we here call linking to specific moderator actions "Evidence" and "Examples" when in the context of broader issues. I agree that "This piece of moderation is biased" posts would be tiring and boring, but I think we can all agree that "I have detected a problem with the way posts are being moderated, examples are [Link] [Link] [4ChanTrapLink] and [Link]" is improved by (and indeed only useful with) 3 of the 4 bracketed things. (P.S. In the event this post gets moderated, there were never any links in the brackets)*

*P.P.S. It's sad that I think that postscript's a useful thing to write.


Finally, the topic at hand at the time the old thread fell off a cliff.

Since when are the rules of one Subforum (C&P to be specific) applicable to another, quite different, subforum (Specifically, GD)? Example. NB: Examples != Discussion of a Specific Moderation activity.

Last time I checked, the rules of COAD, Character Bazaar, etc. do not apply to GD. Why is it that certain ISDs believe that the rules of C&P apply to GD?



For now, I'm going to leave aside the insane claims that maintaining any ESRB rating (or even following the ESRB's guidelines*) is somehow a legal requirement.

*Especially when those guidelines specifically state that player generated content is exempt.

... OK, I guess that's not quite leaving that one aside.

Just noticed a post of mine vanished between last night and now (along with at least 3 others). Yay for noticing.


Can't figure out why though. One of them it would make sense (rather flaming and rude, had more censored than not), but mine and the other one don't make sense at all.

So this is a general question to those who moderate (and if it has been asked and answered before I apologize): is there a set policy for when to remove posts without saying why? Or is it up to the moderator to let us know why they made the posts vanish?
Just curious.

Got it. Thanks.