EVE Information Portal

Confirming you can change reinforcement exit time, standings and tax rates remotely by viewing your customs offices in the corp assets screen.

People are worried about the cost of these compared to their profitability.

How about you make them capturable? Either fully, or once captured they become an empty Gantry structure the attacker can re-fill to make operational again. This way even if you lose the POCO, you know you can recapture it and rescue your investment.

TL:DR I'm out 114.3 mil on PI 1.0 64.8mil on PI 2.0 and now PI 3.0 will cost me 558mil, apparently PI needs to be nerfed repeatedly?

so here's how I'm getting screwed...

PI 1.0 I tested it on sisi liked what I saw and sought out a place to make it work so I could produce
POS'es and stuff for fun and profit

Train up alts to use PI to maximize planet use across 20 planets in 0.0 and HS (at my HQ) and
produce all items from p0 to P4. (bandwidth is good enough so I could just barely get from p0 -> p2 on each planet) then go from p2 -> p4 on a dedicated assembly planet)

Pay out the start up costs:
launch pad each planet with each toon = 900,000 x20
command center each planet(old system cost more for the bigger ones) advanced command center 20 x 3,700,000
basic facility x 80 (4 on each planet) x 75,000
advanced facility x 40 (2 on each planet) x 250,000
then all the various extractors which was usually 6-9 per planet based on distance and size 45,000 isk x 140 (pretty sure I had almost 200 clicks to re-set my PI each time I did it)
forgetting Taxes and moving things... this was my start up cost:

900,000 x20 = 18mil launch pads
3,700,000 x20 = 74mil advanced command centers
75,000 x 80 = 6mil basic facility
250,000 x 40 = 10mil advanced facility
45,000 x 140 = 6.3mil extractors

114.3mil

THEN... PI 2.0 with the new extractor heads, cpu gets a huge nerf... doing PI the same way with low volume links across the planet is no longer viable... I quit PI for 6 months

CEO and friends encourage me to restart and I start focusing on how to revamp my set-up to just do POS fuels

set-up 2.0
remove all HS installations (not profitable)
relocate on 9 planets because Temperate, Gas and Ice are no longer needed (I get O2 from corp noobs who are learning PI)
(get a refund on all the extractor heads...) +6.3mil
need to pay for the 9 planets from scratch:
re-locate facilities to optimize no more than (2) two resources per planet
current command centers paid for
9 new command centers at lvl 5 = 9x 4,300,000
because bulk of P0 material is so high I invest in a second launch pad as storage 20x900,000
34 extra basic facilities x 75,000
15 extra advanced facilities x 250,000
40 new and revised extractors x 45,000

9x4,300,000 = 38.7milcommand centers
20x900,000 = 18mil launch pads
34x75,000 = 2.55milbasic facility
15x250,000 = 3.75mil advanced facility
40x45,000 = 1.8mil extractors

64.8mil to become productive again, on top of my original 114.3mil
*** so far none of this includes any of the taxes or costs associated with re-aligning when hotspots go cold***

NOW PI 3.0
I suspect I will need to re-locate again, and concentrate on a bare minimum of 5-6 planets
this means my toons will all be sucking from the same resources making them less productive
Rebuild 11 planet networks so POCO (sucky name BTW) can be maximized
buy and build 6 POCO's 80mil x 6 (if I'm lucky)

11 command centers x 4,300,000 = 47.3mil
44 basic facilities x 75,000 = 3.3mil
22 advanced facilities x 250,000 = 5.5mil
22 launch pads x 900,000 = 19.8mil
44 extractors x 45,000 = 1.98mil
6 Player owned Customs Office 80mil = 480mil

557.88mil

added to the start up of 114.3 mil and the revised startup of 64.8mil and I will have sunk
736.98mil into PI... thus making my profit on the whole venture shrink to near zero

CCP IT REALLY SEEMS AS IF YOU WANT EVERYONE TO STOP PI AND GO DO SOMETHING ELSE,
Why else would you force players to re-finance their operations repeatedly??

PI produces items that are needed in the game, but with all these changes, you are seriously screwing with us, now that my 480mil investment has to just sit in space defenseless... It will be a recurring cost that will cause me to quit PI again after I lose one.
if POS fuels spike (they will) and I lose my investment to the 1st bored super-carrier in system (likely)
the POS will come down and into storage until this is fixed.

PI isn't Broke (needs some fixing, but it does work) I suggest you fix other things first:
* 1 capital ship array per region (will belong to the dominant power)
* 1 moon goo array per pos and double the goo, but quadruple the power/cpu so basically it’s nearly a undefended POS
* triple the rate of invention success with all lvl 5 skills and finally nerf T2 BPO's
* limit the total number of manufacturing jobs a corp can have active based on membership 100 members = 10 jobs
* make GCC timers re-activate if the player docked, jumped or logged at a pos, they need to survive that countdown out in the open where they can get shot at
* if an alliance owns a station, every 7 days there should be a random malfunction like repair services going out for 48 hours unless the system is FULLY upgraded
* make it so bounties from all missions must be collected in Yuali
* make it so bounties placed on players must be placed in that players HQ system
* randomize missions so that players aren't always prepared
* randomize complexes more so that sometimes they end up 20 jumps from the last one
* once 10 rats in the same belt have died, that's it for 12 hours

go ahead and iterate something else.... you've "fixed" PI enough

I suspect at the rate of things PI 4.0 will roll out in 2014-15

GL with that.

PS. I actually LIKE that you tried to make this MORE player powered and driven, but I really think you haven't thought this through, ALL the small corps and small operations are just going to stop

Will corporate wallet tax payment entries show which planets customs office they are for?

Will there be any controls provided for which corporate wallet division the tax payments go into?

Make it so that you can’t stop anyone using a CO but the tax rate scales with standings i.e. (simplified) blue = tax rate, neutral = 1.5 x tax rate, red = 2 x tax rate.

I think your working under a false assumption. Currently alliances/corporations try to limit who can/can't use their planets, this will give them more tools to control that. However I do like the idea overall just worried about the transition period. In may open up a small market where some pay rental fees to run offices in certain areas, but we'll see how it works out.

I'd leave the NPC custom offices up until someone places a PCO around the planet. To give you an example Intrepid Crossing in just its Cobalt Edge holdings controls 332 planets. I'd say at least half of those have active colonies probably more. It will take time to replace all those NPC custom stations, thus allowing them to remain until a PCO can be put down makes sense to keep from causing market shortages. Once a PCO is anchored the NPC one should disappear, never to return even if the PCO is later destroyed.

TBH. implementing this change technically will have a huge impact on current market and Eve economy as it is rigth now, the final result will be an enormous skyrocketing from all prices for PI products and POS fuels to a point small Corps and such wont be able anylonger to uphold their jobs or anything else, and most of them aren't willing to go to lowsec or null at all so CCP say goodbye to another bulkload of Subscriptions getting chanceld soon as this crap hits TQ.

Yes.



At the moment no, they go into the Master Wallet.

Great addition to the game....it is good with some additional isksinks
This will finally make big 00 alliances PI structure vulnable to small and medium size raids...

Will the structure drop what ever is in the member hangers if it is destoryed ?
How much hitpoints will it have ? please dont tell me that it will be like a POS that will prevent the small raids. Remember that the usual way to handle attacks at the moment is to let them happen and clean up when the reinforcment timer is up.
If the structures have a limited amount of hitpoints it will be easier to force alliaces to come out and fight you rather then hide in there space...

While you are at it you should change datacores in such a way that they need to be manufactured threw PI and drop the passive datacore income that is widely used today. That will also give 00 enteties access to everything they need for invention in 00 so they dont have to go to empire...

I like the general idea I also share the fear of small operations being terminated and low sec knows many small corps.

Though while thinking on it for a while I like to give some options that would make it more intresting for people to allow other people on their turf for low sec anyway.

1) Make the POCO's taxble by owner and Militia occupying the system, which give the PACO's protection from the entire militia, who on their turn gain from allowing more poeple to use it, by getting more tax refenue (which might be devided among the corpses that are part of the milita)

2) And make them Capturable

This make's it a option for a small time operator to start his PACO without being blown out of the skies in a day.
Gives FW an extra demention
And even if one Militia takes over from the other they have no reason to remove the PACO owner since they could as easly split the tax refenue with the new militia.
I't might even be preferable for militia's to let the PACO's be runned by "Specialised PI corps"

It also makes it more likely more planets will get a CO.

How about if the "little guy" lives in said (heavily pirated) lowsec system and has always managed to avoid said pirates by being clever (bookmarks of customs offices, cloaky/mwd occators etc)?

And I think you are missing a rather important point for most industrialists I NEED access to the plethora of corporate wallets otherwise administration, tracking cost/expense flow and auditing becomes a total nightmare so joining another corp isn't really an option.

Sure I could join an alliance but why exactly would a PvP alliance want me? And don't say; "So you can sell them those robotics for their POS at a discount!" Because you know what? If I start eating into my margins on that scale I can make as much in hisec without giving up any of my independence. Besides I can do without the drama that large PvP alliances seem to be riddled with.

What gives the little guy the right? His/her ability outsmart and dodge a much larger hostile force out to get him/her that gives them the right. This change means however I will now simply be denied access to the planets and no amount of cleverness will save me. That seems wrong to me.

p.s. if stabbed haulers bother you try a HIC.