EVE General Discussion

Day one. Circa 2005

Noobship in lowsec, discovered that EVEs magical weaponry shoots right thru asteroids into my ship. Kaboom. No duck and cover? Very BAD game mechanic. This I shrugged off to the curve. But I cant shrug off the magical modules. Slowing down another ship? Possibly IF you have more mass. EVE doesnt work that way. Disrupting someones warp? Not without engine damage. Cant buy it. Magically draining energy from a shielded, isolated battery? Thats the power of god and makes everything kinda moot. Plus if you think about it, any intelligent attack is preceded by intel. If you fit the above magical thingy's to keep yourprey from escaping PLUS a module to allow a thorough ship scan (does it even exist?), your ship is now truly gimped and forced to attack smaller weaker opponents. I have fun in EVE doing my thing , and re-subbed after a 4 yr hiatus when I discovered they gave us some of the things we asked for yrs ago. This thread has informed me of RvB:) I may have to overlook my common sense approach to things and try that.

^this guy's face

I moved to low-sec earlier this month but (like most of my corpmates) I had spent most of my EVE life in 0.0 up to that point.

Usually I average 120-130 kills per month (small gang stuff, no huge fleets), currently I am sitting at 30 kills and the month is almost over.

I just can't wrap my head around low-sec pvp in general and gateguns in particular:
Solo pvp seems pointless as you can only attack targets that are much smaller than you (forget about plexes, they are only occupied by warpcore-stabbed Merlins). Gateguns and GCC (which is almost always up) prevent you from taking any interesting fights.
Nobody of us has a clue how low-sec fleets work - we have very frequent roams trying a huge variety of fleet compositions (off the top of my head - drakes, asb bcs, armorcanes, ac tornados, dual prop sfis, ahacs, nano, ...) and get almost no kills (today 15 people spent 2.5h roaming - killed one battleship, one battlecruiser and two frigates).
In 0.0 you just roam around, gank random targets of opportunity, keep an eye out for other roaming gangs and if you don't find a fight you'll eventually end up in a hostile staging system where you are guaranteed action as long as you give them a few minutes to form up.
In low-sec roaming gangs are rare and those that do show up are completely ridiculous (t3s, faction battleships, obvious hotdrop bait, ... ), there are no ratters you could catch, all travellers are either cloaky t3s or too fast to be caught with anything that can tank gateguns [unless you go for ridiculous remote sebo setups which are poorly suited for anything but gatecamping], and you can sit around in a hostile staging system for half an hour and still won't get a fight (your presence doesn't bother anyone as nobody actually lives in the system).

Moving to low-sec has killed pvp for me - now I spend most evenings playing Dota and wait for my corp to move back to 0.0.

Finding targets that I have a chance in beating ( for solo pvp)
in fleets with test its more like finding -a- that aren't docked.

I haven't had any PvP kills yet, but I was forced to defend myself a few weeks ago - technically I won the fight, but my assailant fled before I could deliver the killing shot. I think he was more noob than me, he was flying a Catalyst and I was in an Atron speed-tanked with a triple-neutron setup that I use to run anomalies and mag sites in high-sec. I had no scram, or I would have used it.

I haven't really gone looking for PvP, though - I've had no reason to, and I don't feel I know the game enough as I'd like to just yet. I'm spending the vast majority of my skill training on Gallente ships and skills for the modules I use on them for missions and exploration, but as yet I've felt no need to pew pew. I want to, but I don't want to rush into it. I've been ganked by a few people with far more powerful ships than I had available to me at the time when I'd been barely a few days into the game, and since then I've considered the PvP scene to be something I would need higher skills to do.

I did join the Gallente militia at one time at the encouragement of another player to do PvP, and learned some basics to it while I was with them, but I found myself getting ganked in high-sec and restricted from certain empire systems as a result.

I think one of the problems, especially for new players, is that it's already difficult enough to get "rolling" in the game, and secure a decent enough income so that you can fund new ships and stuff WITHOUT getting ganked and forced into non-consensual PvP as it is. I'm not saying it should be easier - I'm just saying, give the new guys a bit more room to develop before you go blowing them away. FYI, I'm not complaining about getting ganked, every noob needs to get ganked if they're going to learn how not to get ganked.

nvm

Nothing really stopping me from PvPing or joining a corp.... I just suck so much I do not want to drag a corp or others down by just being there.

Free plex or game time in game nuff said. Dont wast the time losing isk for what the adraline? i go to the gym for that

Didnt you know? They are all seeing all knowing "gandalf-style" elitist wizards that just need to comment on everything. They love to speak for other communities and their actions while their point of view is sooo disorted that every "non-pvp" player makes fun of them

For me, PvP is just boring (as well as l4 missions or mining). I just like to create and build ships and modules. I like obtaining cheap minerals from market, dealing with suppliers (i think that is not PvE at all). And yes, i like to hoard my Isk, just like RL men of means and spending my isk on expensive stuff and unique ships. And if someone has problem with that he can just.......

The real question is why do all "PvP elitist" have to dictate how to play, in the sandbox game.

I used to train new players in PvP, and its usually a lack of understanding in how PvP works that scares them off. Because PvP works so differently to PvE it can take some getting used to. There a few basic principles that, once understood, make them significantly more likely to try PvPing again.

Combat is usually decided before the first shot is fired, it's about deciding how and when to engage. I tell them how to burn back to the gates, and how they'll get trapped trying to warp away from gate camps. I tell them about range control and I emphasise that you don't need to fly something expensive to be effective. I know someone who just started who has a 96% efficiency on the KBs after only 3 days of playing. Killing HACs etc in frigs. That's the way new players are meant to be introduced to PvP.