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Destroyer skill changes
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Bernard 2007
The Scarlet Storm
#1 - 2012-10-28 14:29:45 UTC
Is it changing the fourth of december or can I wait a little longer with maxing it out?
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-10-28 14:33:15 UTC
It's not coming in Retribution.
Matt Grav
Wrath of the Pea
#3 - 2012-10-28 15:00:15 UTC
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=72890

Second paragraph from the end: "As an additional note and a follow-up from our previous balancing Dev Blog, we believe it is good for you to know we will not be changing the Destroyer / Battlecruiser skills for the winter expansion – such changes are to come only after these two ship classes have been properly rebalanced."
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#4 - 2012-10-28 17:39:55 UTC
That said, training both Destroyer 5 and Battlecruisers 5 are well worthwhile on their own merits.

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Klymer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-10-28 18:20:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Klymer
Destroyer 5 is what, a week to 10 days training maybe depending on your implants and remaps? I trained it up as soon as I saw the specs on the new ships, had previously been sitting at 3 since I hadn't used a destroyer in years. I've also finally started training T2 rockets and light missiles to round out my T2 small weapons systems skills.
Bernard 2007
The Scarlet Storm
#6 - 2012-10-28 21:20:21 UTC
Klymer wrote:
Destroyer 5 is what, a week to 10 days training maybe depending on your implants and remaps? I trained it up as soon as I saw the specs on the new ships, had previously been sitting at 3 since I hadn't used a destroyer in years. I've also finally started training T2 rockets and light missiles to round out my T2 small weapons systems skills.


Yeah, but when you have a remap planned right after christmas it's a pretty huge waste to train it 3 months earlier when you neither got implants or stats fit for it.
Mortis Betruger
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-10-28 21:24:05 UTC
Klymer wrote:
Destroyer 5 is what, a week to 10 days training maybe depending on your implants and remaps? I trained it up as soon as I saw the specs on the new ships, had previously been sitting at 3 since I hadn't used a destroyer in years. I've also finally started training T2 rockets and light missiles to round out my T2 small weapons systems skills.





I am doing the same thing. I could care less about Destoyers until I read about the new caldari missle boat.
Escomboli
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-11-09 14:09:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Escomboli
Bernard 2007 wrote:
Klymer wrote:
Destroyer 5 is what, a week to 10 days training maybe depending on your implants and remaps? I trained it up as soon as I saw the specs on the new ships, had previously been sitting at 3 since I hadn't used a destroyer in years. I've also finally started training T2 rockets and light missiles to round out my T2 small weapons systems skills.


Yeah, but when you have a remap planned right after christmas it's a pretty huge waste to train it 3 months earlier when you neither got implants or stats fit for it.



Like someone said earlier Destroyer 5 is a 6-10 day train. That is really not much in the grand scheme of things. Especially seeing how the destroyers will be decent now.

I have my alt that is full Cha for leadership training rushing the frig/cruiser skills to 3, and destroyers/BC 5 just so I get the extra SP when they do make the change. It is something like two weeks longer because of the remap I am in, but it is well worth not having to train all 4 racial BC and destroyer skills to 5 later. Even more so since the toon will be command ship specialized. Won't have to train all racial BC to 5 to use them.

Hell, even the CCP guy had in bold that you should start training it now. It is basically free SP when they change to the bullshit racials.
Bakkhai
Talking In Stations Corporation
#9 - 2012-11-10 21:20:49 UTC
So I think I know but -

Learning Destroyers and BC's to 5 will give me all 4 racial Destroyers and BC's at 5 when the change happens?
Bernard 2007
The Scarlet Storm
#10 - 2012-11-10 21:23:18 UTC
Bakkhai wrote:
So I think I know but -

Learning Destroyers and BC's to 5 will give me all 4 racial Destroyers and BC's at 5 when the change happens?


Only if you've trained frigate and cruiser skills in the race in question to lvl 3 or 4. Can't recall
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#11 - 2012-11-10 21:26:09 UTC
Bernard 2007 wrote:
Bakkhai wrote:
So I think I know but -

Learning Destroyers and BC's to 5 will give me all 4 racial Destroyers and BC's at 5 when the change happens?


Only if you've trained frigate and cruiser skills in the race in question to lvl 3 or 4. Can't recall
III since that's what they require to fly right now (although you'd need Frigate IV to get to Cruiser III).
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#12 - 2012-11-10 22:01:17 UTC
Bakkhai wrote:
So I think I know but -

Learning Destroyers and BC's to 5 will give me all 4 racial Destroyers and BC's at 5 when the change happens?


That´s the most common assumption since CCP stated something like "if you can fly it before the change you will be able to fly it after the change".
Still, how exactly it will work out is unknown, after all, that would mean some six million skillpoints for "free"....

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2012-11-10 22:06:17 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Not to mention Destroyers V + Science V + Racial Frigate V + some assorted other stuff gets you dictors, which are of course of great utility in null.

(Well Science V isn't necessary to fly the dictor, but it's necessary to use the module that's the entire point of flying dictors.

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Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-11-10 22:07:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Some Rando
Nerath Naaris wrote:
Bakkhai wrote:
Learning Destroyers and BC's to 5 will give me all 4 racial Destroyers and BC's at 5 when the change happens?
That´s the most common assumption since CCP stated something like "if you can fly it before the change you will be able to fly it after the change".

It's also the wrong assumption because having BC to V does not entitle you to fly every battlecruiser in the game. You also need the associated Cruiser skills.

CCP has no sense of humour.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2012-11-10 22:08:25 UTC
Some Rando wrote:
Nerath Naaris wrote:
Bakkhai wrote:
Learning Destroyers and BC's to 5 will give me all 4 racial Destroyers and BC's at 5 when the change happens?
That´s the most common assumption since CCP stated something like "if you can fly it before the change you will be able to fly it after the change".

It's also the wrong assumption because having BC to V does not entitle you to fly every battlecruiser in the game. You also need the associated Cruiser skills.

Right. So get all cruisers to III and when you have Battlecruisers at V then you will have all racial battlecruiser skills at V when the change comes.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Dave Stark
#16 - 2012-11-10 22:15:14 UTC
short version:

train all racial frigates to IV
train all racial cruisers to III
train destroyers to V
train battlecruisers to V

receive all racial destroyers and battlecruisers at V when the change happens.

it has been stated many, many times.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2012-11-10 22:18:45 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
short version:

train all racial frigates to III
train all racial cruisers to III
train destroyers to V
train battlecruisers to V

receive all racial destroyers and battlecruisers at V when the change happens.

it has been stated many, many times.

FTFY

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Dave Stark
#18 - 2012-11-10 22:27:21 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
short version:

train all racial frigates to III
train all racial cruisers to III
train destroyers to V
train battlecruisers to V

receive all racial destroyers and battlecruisers at V when the change happens.

it has been stated many, many times.

FTFY


good luck training any racial cruisers without having racial frigates to IV
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2012-11-10 22:45:24 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
short version:

train all racial frigates to III
train all racial cruisers to III
train destroyers to V
train battlecruisers to V

receive all racial destroyers and battlecruisers at V when the change happens.

it has been stated many, many times.

FTFY


good luck training any racial cruisers without having racial frigates to IV

Right. Ignore me. I was thinking of the destroyers requirement.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
stoicfaux
#20 - 2012-11-11 01:28:25 UTC
And since no one could be bothered to post the dev blog: http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73530

Quote:

As announced at the beginning of the year, skill requirements will be modified when we are done overhauling tech1 battlecruisers and battleships.
...
With this in mind, it becomes quite obvious to focus on training the Destroyers and Battlecruisers skills before the change to get the maximum return effect. We highly recommend you start doing so now.

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