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[Winter] New destroyers

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Shiroh Yatamii
Alexylva Paradox
#821 - 2012-10-26 05:55:43 UTC
In terms of aesthetics, I was really hoping the Amarr destroyer would have a more visible drone bay. Something that just screams "drone boat". Instead it looks like a Coercer retrofitted for cargo hauling. I don't get it...
Opertone
State War Academy
Caldari State
#822 - 2012-10-26 06:16:51 UTC
more EHP, more EHP!

make them like BC stand to cruisers!

7000 shield, 2000 armor, 3000 structures please. These ships must not be glass cannons and instapop in fleet. My FC doesn't like stuff that goes boom in first 30 seconds.

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Bouh Revetoile
In Wreck we thrust
#823 - 2012-10-26 10:26:32 UTC
Opertone wrote:
more EHP, more EHP!

make them like BC stand to cruisers!

7000 shield, 2000 armor, 3000 structures please. These ships must not be glass cannons and instapop in fleet. My FC doesn't like stuff that goes boom in first 30 seconds.

Ah, you really meant like BattleCruiser in fact, not even like cruisers...
Manes Avatarr
Superfast
#824 - 2012-10-26 10:35:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Manes Avatarr
Opertone wrote:
My FC doesn't like stuff that goes boom in first 30 seconds.

Then fly fleetBC instead of destroyer... simple.

Quote:
In terms of aesthetics, I was really hoping the Amarr destroyer would have a more visible drone bay.

I thought to myself the same thing. Every small droneboat SHOULD look like drone-mought with engines. Its matter of proportions. If its uses same drones as battleship and BS often have visible drone launcher bays - its obvious that very very small ship compared to BS size boats should have such drone-holes proportionally bigger, even 1/2 of their size.


Quote:
(Caldari)... that ship looks ******* ugly

Opposite. Caldari's dessie look stylish in their way and very powerfull (cold steel).
Im more afraid of plans to revamp Tempest hull. If CCP make it just plain SYMMETRICAL.. it will be ruin. Modern ruin. Ripped from matari soul.

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Johnny Bloomington
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#825 - 2012-10-26 15:28:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Johnny Bloomington
Caldari sub looks like a missle boat. Great job CCP!

Gallente drone boat looks like a drone carrier with nice detail of the bays. It's got balls? Great job CCP!

Amarr drone boat looks like a coercer swallowed the new purifier. Like Shiroh said, need more visible drone bay.

Minimatar uh yeah its fast but looks like a 10 ton WTF. A barge with some solar panels. This looks like the art department not talking to CCP Fozzie about form matching function.

Sorry art department dude but if this is what we're going to get then just let us design the ships! Look at the tier 3 BCs ;)

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Nagarythe Tinurandir
Einheit X-6
#826 - 2012-10-26 16:02:28 UTC
Manes Avatarr wrote:



Quote:
(Caldari)... that ship looks ******* ugly

Opposite. Caldari's dessie look stylish in their way and very powerfull (cold steel).
Im more afraid of plans to revamp Tempest hull. If CCP make it just plain SYMMETRICAL.. it will be ruin. Modern ruin. Ripped from matari soul.



maybe you should have a closer look at the new tempest. it is far from symmetrical, (btw, a lot of minmatar hulls are symmetrical..) don't let the upper engine exhausts decieve you ;)
this model is a true tempest 2.0

and for the new minmatar dessi; the model to be seen last weekend on duality (and this weekend probably too) was a major update to the one on youtube. a huge load of detail was added. looks awesome. people who think otherwise have no taste for steampunkspaceshipgoodiness :P
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#827 - 2012-10-26 16:25:10 UTC
Zyella Stormborn wrote:

Neut going out to 12ish K range on a ship that can not go NEARLY as fast as a frigate. How exactly is it going to be able to get close enough to use those neuts?
~Z

How is the frigate going to get close enough to web him??!!
Johnny Bloomington
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#828 - 2012-10-26 16:38:39 UTC
Nagarythe Tinurandir wrote:
Manes Avatarr wrote:



Quote:
(Caldari)... that ship looks ******* ugly

Opposite. Caldari's dessie look stylish in their way and very powerfull (cold steel).
Im more afraid of plans to revamp Tempest hull. If CCP make it just plain SYMMETRICAL.. it will be ruin. Modern ruin. Ripped from matari soul.



maybe you should have a closer look at the new tempest. it is far from symmetrical, (btw, a lot of minmatar hulls are symmetrical..) don't let the upper engine exhausts decieve you ;)
this model is a true tempest 2.0

and for the new minmatar dessi; the model to be seen last weekend on duality (and this weekend probably too) was a major update to the one on youtube. a huge load of detail was added. looks awesome. people who think otherwise have no taste for steampunkspaceshipgoodiness :P


I like the new tempest. Old ships need a refit kind of like the first Enterprise in Star Trek got a refit for the movies.

Has the minne dessie changed that much? You just talking about better textures? Pic? Question

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Johnny Bloomington
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#829 - 2012-10-26 16:40:56 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Zyella Stormborn wrote:

Neut going out to 12ish K range on a ship that can not go NEARLY as fast as a frigate. How exactly is it going to be able to get close enough to use those neuts?
~Z

How is the frigate going to get close enough to web him??!!


tech 2 web is 13km right? or is that with it overheated?

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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#830 - 2012-10-26 16:44:59 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
err, scram him! Yeah, I meant scram him.

The amarr dessie will carry a full rack of ec-300s. That, along with the neuts will be enough for him to bail on any frigate if things don't go as planned.
Draunin
Garish Hardware Company
#831 - 2012-10-26 16:50:28 UTC
So did you guys get in a time crunch on the minny design and say oh well crap lets just give them a refrigerator box with lots of guns/missiles. Cant you go with similar minny themes and at least give us a cool vertical design this one sucks bad.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#832 - 2012-10-26 21:58:19 UTC
The Minmatar destroyer is a lightly armored box with big engines, lots of weapons points, traditional panels, and not a damn thing more.

I have no issues with this.

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Garr Earthbender
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#833 - 2012-10-26 23:14:58 UTC
Minne boat looks like a minne boat. Rusty old crap held together by duct tape with solar panels for a power source.

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Oraac Ensor
#834 - 2012-10-27 01:05:34 UTC
Shiroh Yatamii wrote:
In terms of aesthetics, I was really hoping the Amarr destroyer would have a more visible drone bay. Something that just screams "drone boat". Instead it looks like a Coercer retrofitted for cargo hauling. I don't get it...

If it looks like a cargo hauler it must have a visible extra bay. In what way would a drone bay differ in appearance from a cargo bay?
Zyella Stormborn
Green Seekers
#835 - 2012-10-27 02:45:24 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
err, scram him! Yeah, I meant scram him.

The amarr dessie will carry a full rack of ec-300s. That, along with the neuts will be enough for him to bail on any frigate if things don't go as planned.



Why scram him. The frigate is faster than the dessie can ever hope to be. He can play with point, and just outrun him. He can shoot down drones at leisure, and the Neuts will rarely come into play. I may be wrong, since I can't get onto my comp to try them out, but I am predicting the Amarr new dessie will not do well at all. In particular compared to the other 3 dessies.

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Aglais
Ice-Storm
#836 - 2012-10-27 03:49:52 UTC
Manes Avatarr wrote:

Im more afraid of plans to revamp Tempest hull. If CCP make it just plain SYMMETRICAL.. it will be ruin. Modern ruin. Ripped from matari soul.


You're in luck. It's still vertical. It's still asymmetrical. And it and the Vargur are easily by far the coolest looking battleships in the entire game now. It's like the old model, but the builders had time and effort to plan out it's structure. It's still a Tempest. Now it is a solid, beefy looking Tempest with a whole new much cooler looking bridge (and the Vargur has a unique model as well, with the most amazing solar panels. Check it out when you have a chance.)
Shiroh Yatamii
Alexylva Paradox
#837 - 2012-10-27 07:24:45 UTC
Oraac Ensor wrote:

If it looks like a cargo hauler it must have a visible extra bay. In what way would a drone bay differ in appearance from a cargo bay?


The drone bay would open out into space in order to deploy/recall drones. Conceivably speaking, a cargo bay would simply need a much smaller hole for cargo to be loaded in over time (since you're docked and you have time anyway).
Nexomni
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#838 - 2012-10-27 09:54:53 UTC
I am in love with the new Caldari Destroyer!

\o/
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#839 - 2012-10-27 11:29:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Zarnak Wulf
The level of detail on the destroyers is really quite good on the test server. I didn't like the aesthetics of the Gallente Dessie as we've approached this point but after seeing the final product - wow. Blink

I didn't see a stickied thread in the test server forum so - the Gallente destroyer has six turret slots on Duality. Is that a stealth buff?

Edit: I kind of like it with 6 turrets. I was getting around 350 DPS with Ion Blasters, Null, and no damage mods at all. I went for tank (delayed DPS) and was getting 8k EHP. (200mm plate, EANM II, internal force field array, 2 trimarks.)
ConranAntoni
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#840 - 2012-10-27 14:02:05 UTC
After doing some testing, theres a couple small nicks that could use some fixing;

Caldari Destroyer - Very very tight on PG, fitting full rack of light missiles and an MWD is horrible. As an example of how poor it's PG is, it has the same amount as the redone Kestrel.

Minnie Destroyer - Interesting lil boat, capable of both armour and shield tanking. Considering this and the Caldari one are meant to be ranged platforms however it outshines the Caldari one in most instances which is kind of daft.

Amarr Destroyer - Hilarious fun, literally spot on, capable of doing exactly what it's designed for.

Gallente Destoyer - A flying fist of doom with a stylish look to it. Very impressive little ship to be perfectly honest.


Just a quick thing there of what I saw, no doubt it'll get bogged down by terrible posts but hope someone from CCP sees this.

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