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CCP MASIVE FAIL

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teroarea
ROMANIA Renegades
#1 - 2012-10-25 17:23:20 UTC  |  Edited by: teroarea
From the beginning I would like to bring to your attention the fact that I have been playing EVE online for a long time and I could have never believed that I will come across such an issue...Let's see which was the trail of the events and what was the answer of the organising committee members.

Romania Renegades is itself a corporation which will be celebrating, on February, 10 years of activity inside eve-online and which during the peak times has about 200 registered and active players About 3 weeks ago, this corporation entered the militia, applying to 'happy endings ' alliance, where we hoped we will have fun, but happy endings alliance starts a war against another alliance and corporation which is part of the same faction or the faction allied by militia and in the meantime they have persuaded us ; the renegades that the time has come to leave this alliance because of the war that was about to take place within 24 hours.

Once we have left the Happy Endings alliance we were aweare that the followoing 24 hours were critical and that we could not apply to another alliance because we were still at war , even though we left the alliance which has started this war.

And now... the big surprise... a corportation part to this war has turned it into mutual and from their point of view this war could never end !!! This problem should not be a major one as long as that corporation is active , but this corporation (emperor throne guards) has only 10 members and they are completely inactive (probably a corporations of alts) and this situation makes the contact basically impossible in order to get to a mutual agreement!

Although this war has not been started directly by the Romania Renegades corporation it seems that it will continue because of a fault of the organising committee of this game.

Why their fault? it s very simple... it is just not fair that this war keep existing , even though we have left the alliance , because we did not agree with this war and after all we are in an endless war. I was amazed because of GM's lack of respect, who normaly should try to answer quickly and find a solution to this matter.

What do you think that was their answer? ..... "we can't help you in this problem, so the only thing you can do is to disband the corporation Romania Renegades ant try to recreate it when possible" ... Shame!... Shame on you!.... How is it possible to distroy the whole history for so many players and the history of one of the oldest corporation just because nobody at CCP can fix a bug created by game mechanics itself.? .....how come an entire corporation of players which pays this game every month to CCP, to not have the posibility to join an alliance? Is it Because another corporation with inactive players managed to speculate this bug and they keep us with this endless open war, without any solution to close it? How is it posible that the whole CCP's honor to stop with one reply from one GM which says that " we can't do anything" ?
Who from CCP can answer to this questions? and give us an honorable and fair solution?
svenska flicka
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-10-25 17:26:34 UTC
I read that whole thing, and I sympathize.
Metal Icarus
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#3 - 2012-10-25 17:27:44 UTC
man up and make them drop the war

Unless you want to prove that you and you corporation are weak enough to let one war stop you.
Pingu Arareb
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-10-25 17:33:21 UTC
I read it all, I feel bad for you, I feel CCP will surely rectify the issue, it's just a question of when.
ISquishWorms
#5 - 2012-10-25 17:38:24 UTC
I have to admit I only skimmed over the wall of text but what I can deduce is that you are upset about a long war? Have you tried fighting back?

‘No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh’.
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-10-25 17:38:43 UTC
Just 2 questions why did you try and leave the alliance instead of just riding it out.
What was the point of entering the alliance to begin with.

Second if you are under a permanent war dec and nobody is active in the corp then why does it matter if you are at war or not.

I am a little confused at what you want CCP to do.
Oh and last what kind of time frame are we talking here.
Have you been at war for several months now or something ?

EVERYBODY KNOWS
Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#7 - 2012-10-25 17:39:30 UTC
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that someone in an alliance with "Romanian" in the name is not a native English speaker.

The tl;dr is: His corp, which is as old as EVE, was persuaded to join an alliance. That alliance decc'd a small, mostly inactive alt corp, which made it mutual. His corp wants to leave this alliance, but can't, because the alliance is in a mutual wardec.

CCP's solution? Disband the corp, and reform. OP understandably does not want to disband a corp with a 10 year history.

So, what should he do?

Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.

I voted in CSM X!
Jim Era
#8 - 2012-10-25 17:42:19 UTC
wait so, OP and his corp have been in EVE since the beginning, they are still losing to 10 inactive players?

pwnd

Wat™
Doddy
Excidium.
#9 - 2012-10-25 17:43:41 UTC
If they are inactive how did they set the war mutual? Makes no sense bro. Anyway just pay them some of your isk mountain through a third party to drop the war, shouldn't be a problem for a rich man like yourself.

Btw its not a bug, ccp are deliberately trolling and seems to be working.
Sivinn Da'Lawa
The Expatriot League
#10 - 2012-10-25 17:48:03 UTC
To the OP:

First, learn to space out walls of text, whether it is a forum post or a petition, formatting it so people can read it will make them more receptive.

Second, by what i could get out of your post you filed a petition and they said they could not do anything, escalate that petition to a Senior GM.


For everybody else the TL;DR appear to be:

Join Alliance, they war dec somebody, its mutual, OP's corp leaves, war stuck as mutual can't end ever, petition is met with "we can't do anything", and OP comes to forum with poorly formatted post.


The longer summary appear to be:

The OP's corporation joined an alliance that was participating in faction warfare, that alliance declared war on another alliance and the OP's corp left the alliance because that was not what they were looking for as an activity.

At this point the OP's corp expected to have a war of 24 hours on them after having left the alliance. At which point apparently the Alliance/Corporation that the OP's former Alliance had declared war on made the war mutual.

It as this point that the OP appears to be saying that there is no way for his Corporation to end this war that they did not start and chose not to be part of, as well as apparently the war being mutual and therefore at no cost to the opposing group.

They then may have filed a petition, at which CCP replied they could do nothing to help them and suggested that they disband their Corporation of nearly 10 years and remake it at a later date. To which the OP calls into question the honor of CCP.
teroarea
ROMANIA Renegades
#11 - 2012-10-25 17:48:21 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
Just 2 questions why did you try and leave the alliance instead of just riding it out.
What was the point of entering the alliance to begin with.

Second if you are under a permanent war dec and nobody is active in the corp then why does it matter if you are at war or not.

I am a little confused at what you want CCP to do.
Oh and last what kind of time frame are we talking here.
Have you been at war for several months now or something ?




Because of this everlasting war the Romania Renegades corporation cannot join any allaince ......this is the game mechanics .... we cannot apply to any alliance while in war status ...in our case the happy endings alliance has began this war
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2012-10-25 17:51:32 UTC
how did an inactive corporation make your war mutual

seems you're lying here, buddy

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
svenska flicka
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-10-25 17:51:35 UTC
teroarea wrote:
Simetraz wrote:
Just 2 questions why did you try and leave the alliance instead of just riding it out.
What was the point of entering the alliance to begin with.

Second if you are under a permanent war dec and nobody is active in the corp then why does it matter if you are at war or not.

I am a little confused at what you want CCP to do.
Oh and last what kind of time frame are we talking here.
Have you been at war for several months now or something ?




Because of this everlasting war the Romania Renegades corporation cannot join any allaince ......this is the game mechanics .... we cannot apply to any alliance while in war status ...in our case the happy endings alliance has began this war



that is what I thought you said and that is ****** up and you have my sympathy if this is the case.
Doddy
Excidium.
#14 - 2012-10-25 17:52:18 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
how did an inactive corporation make your war mutual

seems you're lying here, buddy


They aren't inactive, they just haven't sent the ransom demand yet.
svenska flicka
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-10-25 17:54:26 UTC
Doddy wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
how did an inactive corporation make your war mutual

seems you're lying here, buddy


They aren't inactive, they just haven't sent the ransom demand yet.



If no ransom it must be a predator.
Doddy
Excidium.
#16 - 2012-10-25 17:55:51 UTC
svenska flicka wrote:
Doddy wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
how did an inactive corporation make your war mutual

seems you're lying here, buddy


They aren't inactive, they just haven't sent the ransom demand yet.



If no ransom it must be a predator.


I would suggest they make it big, terrorea has plenty cash and he is attached to his corp name.
teroarea
ROMANIA Renegades
#17 - 2012-10-25 17:56:54 UTC
Doddy wrote:
If they are inactive how did they set the war mutual? Makes no sense bro. Anyway just pay them some of your isk mountain through a third party to drop the war, shouldn't be a problem for a rich man like yourself.

Btw its not a bug, ccp are deliberately trolling and seems to be working.



maybe this is just a speculation they made in such a way to block certain corps or alliance with these warss in the mutual ,,way``
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#18 - 2012-10-25 17:58:49 UTC
I don't believe the issue is that they can't leave the alliance, the issue is that they didn't leave quickly enough and the war will follow them where ever they go.

You could simply try the surrender option and offer them some ISK.

If they are inactive and don't respond you are in no worse situation than now, if they accept it situation resolved. Nobody would think badly of you for taking that path to get out of a war with an inactive corp playing games like that.


I'll have to brush up on the mechanics involved in a mutual war dec, but if I remember correctly they need some improvement in regards to this specific issue. Perhaps instead of a mutual war dec being free instead both sides might pay a reduced fee (one that cannot be automatically paid)... which would help to keep totally inactive corps from pulling stuff like this. The defender would still have the option to lock in the aggressor, but would have to pay a modest fee for the privilege, as well as take responsibility for manually paying the fee.

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#19 - 2012-10-25 18:01:27 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
I'll have to brush up on the mechanics involved in a mutual war dec, but if I remember correctly they need some improvement in regards to this specific issue. Perhaps instead of a mutual war dec being free instead both sides might pay a reduced fee (one that cannot be automatically paid)... which would help to keep totally inactive corps from pulling stuff like this. The defender would still have the option to lock in the aggressor, but would have to pay a modest fee for the privilege, as well as take responsibility for manually paying the fee.

They're not totally inactive, the guy is lying. We know this because they were alert enough to see the war and make it mutual. He's trying to make excuses to get CCP to get him out of the situation rather than pay the ransom.

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Dramaticus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-10-25 18:02:14 UTC
um yall are missing the key issue which is the corp that declared the war mutual isn't inactive

The 'do-nothing' member of the GoonSwarm Economic Warfare Cabal

The edge is REALLY hard to see at times but it DOES exist and in this case we were looking at a situation where a new feature created for all of our customers was being virtually curbstomped by five of them
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