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I dare say no one will operate for neutrals... period


All of which require active involvement. planting a CC and nuking resources is both time consuming and requires some money to do. Catching the hauler mean you have to be online to do it.

POCO is just a fire and forget type of thing.

It's basically a large POS without any hardeners. Have 5 dreads for 5 minutes and the job is done. What exactly do you want to have a blob for?

1. The term "decent" is extremely subjective, as is my "slightly fruitful". I don't know what you consider "decent", but we apparently don't see eye-to-eye on that note. High sec is fairly well known for having a relatively low output in comparison to, I don't know, everything else.

2. That is redundant and contradictory. Obviously, there are both types of players. However, many times, an alliance is too busy waging war or defending their own home front to actually help renters defend their areas. So, they're often left to fend for themselves against gangs and whatnot. This is a completely different game mechanic that has nothing to do with sovereignty in terms of low sec, and thus, cannot be compared to such a thing. You must not get much interaction with other players if you think a corporation or alliance is going to successfully hold a POCO with the intention of making everyone happy. No, they are going to hike the taxes up to make ISK. It costed ISK to make that POCO, and they want that ISK back some time next year.

3. They certainly do, but that is a very small niche of players, and thus, is fairly inconsequential.

4. You do realize you forgot to subtract the number of potentially useless planets, right? The number of USEFUL planets is much, much lower than that.


There are no cats in EvE, silly.

So those who belong to an NPC corp cannot extract from planets in low sec, unless someone else has set up a customs office at that planet and allows other corps to use it? If the player can't have roles, then he/she cannot set up a customs office.

This is the kind of logic that breaks down almost immediately.

What benefit is it for an Alliance to run around nuking POCO's, and than setting up their own, than blocking people out??

Why do you think its fun for them to own a dead planet?

Why do you think all alliances want to even bother with PI??

The price to build one is intentional - there should be a calculated economic advantage to owning one. "Lone Wolfs" will find it difficult to justify the cost. This is rightfully so. Lone wolfs will find it difficult to defend one, this is rightfully so. The game is not designed for lone wolfs. Lone wolfs can find niche work, but the game should not be designed around providing solo players with plenty of training wheels to survive.

The system is set up for a number of possible scenarios - First, an entity could jack taxes up so high as to "shut out" other players (or block based on standings) . The ONLY advantage to this, is if you plan on maximizing the productive capability of that planet - in other words you better have dozens of corp members with colonies on that planet, and you want to squeeze every last drop from it. If you can't do this, there is NO incentive to spending 100 mil and bothering to defend it. if you do have this extraction capability, great, you deserve a chance to fight to own it all.

The other scenario, which is much more likely, is that taxation will merely increase to make ownership profitable. This is COUNTER to the idea of locking people out, because you are encouraging people to take up space on the planet. "but i've done some fancy math and the income sux" doesnt cut it here. Players will find the tipping point - where you can extract maximum taxes, without driving people to neigboring planets. This slumlord competition is great, and exactly what a gravytrain easy production system like PI needs. But it wont "kill" PI, it'll just make you choose more carefully.

The final scenario is simple - the owner is benevolent, and will price the PI for free for its allowed inhabitants, whether they be friendlies or the general public. Plenty of alliances have maintained or tried to maintain "safe zones" even in dangerous places, and the same will be true in lowsec. Notice CCP is jacking up higsec taxes - this provides incentives for players to actually entice other players out to lowsec / nullsec by providing a CHEAPER place to do PI, not more expensive.

And If you're a benevolent slumlord providing duty-free PI, than your inhabitants will have a stake in defending their colony on your planet. You may find your planet becomes a popular place to work, and your chances of having a deeper pool to draw on for POCO defense go way up. If your occupants are too lazy to defend their duty-free, lucrative planet, they don't deserve the privilege of being there in the first place.

However you look at it - profiting off players, seizing it yourself, or giving it away, all provide an excellent mix of motivations, gameplay opportunities, and it forces people to get to know their neighbors and work together. Win, win, win.

I totally hate the fact that I've done PI every day in lowsec in its release, and its been COMPLETELY safe. Never have I been ganked, never have I had issues with encroaching colonies, and I don't even care who else is on the planets right now. This lack of danger, lack of socialization, lack of challenge, is completely bullshit. I embrace the fact that there is finally a way to make PI social, competitive, and dynamic.

Think outside the box, make friends, push yourself to the limit. You guys can get through this - stop complaining, start getting creative, start forming your network to save your planet. This is not the end of the world.

As mentioned before, that is very limited in terms of volume. There is a timer after you launch before you can do so again, and it isn't trivial.

Well, this certainly does look like a very nice boost to null sec industry.

There is a snowball's chance in hell of any system without a cyno jammer being able to keep customs offices alive now. Bored super cap pilots will simply chew them up the same way bored dogs chew your favourite shoes.

well as they made them worthless for anything but shooting structures in the last blog, they had to amke more structures for them to shoot i guess.
welcome to eve, become a super cap pilot and shoot pi buildings..

And remove the CONCORD tax on the Customs Offices in w-space, CONCORD has no power there, so bugger off. Though, on this topic, there should be no Customs Offices in w-space. I mean, who put them there? :) Instead you'll have to manufacture your own and just set +5 or +10 or better standings only with a 0% tax and you're good to go.

The devs have talked about this from day one. There was ALWAYS talk of a space elevator, that controlled resource access, that would be ownable, and fought over. It wasn't implemented first time around, and everyone complained PI was complete carebear bullshit, with nothing competitive in the slightest way. They said from the beginning that reason to fight over resources would set the stage for Dust 514, and this is nothing but a long overdue iteration that has always been talked about and public information.

Devs arent fleecing anyone. They're giving everyone the iteration on PI that has been promised, and begged for a year now, and *GASP* now people are bitching that they've finally done it. It just has a fancy name so people have ignorantly acted like this is some shocker suprise designed to destroy the pain-free activity they've grown accustomed to. This is extremely typical of the forums - players beg for a feature, than moan when they finally get it. Grow up everyone. You have to get off the nipple and onto solid foods eventually.

Eve will always evolve. It will always get more challenging. It will ALWAYS go in the direction of handing more control over to players. Anyone not cool with that fundamental design element, should invest in a different game.