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Yes. Answered several times in this thread.

My qualifications:

pi operating high sec; low sec; wh space; npc 0.0

First off, I do like the changes. So no qqing here about the pvp aspect.


A few questions

1. Will I be refunded the pi building costs for existing structures do to the change?

2. I was planning on moving my pi to low sec. I will take a wait and see approach. Currently the difference in planetary quality between low and high sec is negligible in most cases (till about .2). Will low sec pi be buffed to reflect the additional costs for operation/risk factor? Obviously, its gonna be a turkey shoot for the first few weeks.

Predictions:

Pi in low sec will drop lower overall. Managing multiple planets as things stand is not difficult (I believe I've run up to 15ish at the same time). This will now require corp planning, which is cool. However the added risks for the planets are not worth the headaches of running low sec pi.

Consider, pi must now be planned and run in low sec on a corp level. The defense of the customs offices becomes a corp job. However the depletion rates in low sec are a joke (till about .2) as are the quality rates. Additionally, the corp will have to hire dust 514 mercs (if it is implemented properly) that will eat into profitability (if there's a 1:1 isk conversion rate for merc costs, it will make it worse). Then the corp has to pay for the customs offices and defend those customs offices, per planet. This is cool, helps to make the pew pew come to me. Unfortunately depletion rates and quality in low sec are crap in comparison to wh and sov space (repeating this in case it was lost in the wall 'o text). The risks in high sec are minimized until dust 514 comes out, and thats a we will see risk factor at this point. Why would I bother trying to arrange a pi production chain that puts more isk at risk that I or the corp can earn in a reasonable amount of time? Setting up corp pi chains is fine, but in low sec, I can't see it being viable.

Result: low sec pi has to be buffed, or it'll be even more non-existent than it is now. Prices will rise overall, resulting in fewer poses in high/low sec due to operational costs. Carebear sov space (you know who you are) will profit massively off of pi. The safety factor for sov production will depend on the alliance. Carebear space gets a hug, low sec doesn't get a reach around. One more thing I won't do in low sec because the isk-risk-time conversion rate is not in line with what I consider acceptable. And screw running it in high sec, since I spend my time in low sec when I get to log in to the game.

Edit: I forgot to specify one thing, for low sec pi to be profitable for the corp, there will have to be multiple members doing it on the same planet, hence my focus on depletion rates and quality.

just as strange as paying concord for sov fee's in 0.0 space

Also, if CCP's stance is that we should not be making permanent homes in W-Space, why are they now asking us to build more stuff there that is going to make people hunker down even more in W-Space since they are now possibly investing several Billion Isk to be able to do PI there.

Seems counter to the goal of not colonizing W-Space.

1 year to get your investment back? You're putting up customs office at the wrong planets my friend!



If you can't defend your quasi-pos within a day, you deserve to lose it.



The free market will solve this issue.



That's your opinion.



HEH

So if PL decides to run through several low sec systems with caps/super caps and put every POCO into reinforce for lulz (or goons) and your corp/alliance cannot field the necessary 2-3xemey fleet within 24 hrs, everyone deserves to lose the POCO? I can see this system ripe for total abuse and lockout of PI in vast areas.

Seriously, if you want to make this fun, rather than a hideous chore, you need to make them smaller, cheaper, and easier to hurt.


Small: 1000m^3, just like CCs, would be fine. Even the wormhole guys could get all the platforms they need in a couple blockade runners, so they will be happy.

Cheap: Plan for the finished product to cost no more than 5,000,000 isk, including the cost of the BPC and all the construction components.

Easy to hurt: Drop the initial hitpoints down to 10% of what has been listed. Make it feasible for a small BS gang to knock one of these into reinforced in 15 minutes. Actually killing them is probably okay at the hitpoints listed, since breaking something should be easier than utterly destroying it. The easier they are to knock into reinforced, the less likely it will be a "worthwhile" activity for supercaps.


Small, cheap structures create more dynamic gameplay than large, expensive ones. Easy come, easy go. Griefers coming by and knocking down your customs centers for lols should be a minor annoyance, not something that makes you consider quitting because it will be such a tremendous hassle to put them back up.

Will editing reinforce timer/standings/tax of a Customs Office have to be done while right next to the customs office, so we have to fly to each CO the corp owns to update it if we change policies, or is there a central point where the corporation may manage all (or subsets of all) customs offices?

e.g.

• Set all reinforce timers to 23:00 EvE Time
• Set all tax rates to 10% (really need more granular tax control for corp/alliance/each standings)
• Set the customs offices in your "core" systems to +5 and higher
• Set the customs offices outside your core systems to -5 and higher

You also need to seed the BPCs well in advance of your change so that the new Customs Offices may be built and ready to deploy when you pull the rug out from us, as some of our PI needs to be moved around on planets faster than people will be able to procure a BPC, manufacture, and then deploy and upgrade.

You gota flip your picture port around. Your Dev banner covers your entire face

Didn't say we don't like it. I like the overall concept. What I don't like is:

1. Extra junk to remove for new wh owners (we got no supers and c1 are nothing bigger then bc)

2. CCP is releasing bpcs in a way that forces us to leave our preferred play style and go do incursions or fw to get while market stabilizes.

3. CCP thinking we will play nice with neutrals in our hole.

4. CCP saying if there is a problem post release they will iterate on it ( see pos, hybrids, supers how long to fix?)

5. CCP saying this wont have ripple effects though t2 and t3 production dependent n poses.

6. A price tag that will take a year to recoup per office.


As been said before in thread a phased deployment to work out bugs is better then a broken mechanic that will be more is beneficial to only a small player subset.