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I want to put out some reasons why this will not work in WH.

Taxes from the planets will be minimal since they are not traveled very much to get the industrial in and out. By having the PI, the occupying corporation has to then allow the hauler/pi + prober so the PI can get out of the system. At the same time the planet will be depleted so the WH corp is now competing against someone in their own system for resources. So they may be forced to now bring in more materials than before ...do you think that price is worth the tax received? If you do, I want to sell you a statute outside Jita.

Now while the PI is operating the WH corp has to allow that person free access which means Intel. How hard is it to pull Intel on the WH system, corp, defenses, time on, ships flow, etc all under the guise of "PI"? Your "hope" to have the system owner allow a neut is the same as 0.0 systems allowing neuts, you are only inviting ambush, disaster, or worse to your wh and giving free intel to whoever may be interested.

Now lets talk about the hole itself. Most active WH corps will close the holes. If you have someone you let do PI for taxes they might start making a fuss about closing those holes. Conversely, the pi pilot may shutter the hole on their way in and out in which the WH corp was using and routing a supply ship through. not a big issue but aggravation factor can increase when conducting an operation.

Next we have the pirate-in-disguise. Once they have a foothold in your WH with their PI/prober guy they likely have to have an alt in order to keep someone in the whole so they can get their goodies out. If they can get out they can get in. You've just invited someone to bring some nasty ships into the hole to disrupt your operations, especially mining. They can also bring in a ship (depending on wh class) and start clearing out your sites. They have to have probing skill to find the wh exit so they can find your sleepers...there goes a big chunk of income for the WH corporation.

So we have to weigh all the cons (free intel giveaway, possible attacks, competing for planet resources, competing for WH resources) v. the pros (uh some taxes from 1 or 2 pi people). Which one of these do you think will happen. Hope all you want but get back to reality of this game and get your head into the game before making these types of decisions.

Needs to have the ability to give a discount based on standings to the owner of the customs office.

Minimum standings for use is good but we need to be able to more granularly set taxes.

With regards to whs. In the last year we have occupied three separate whs. Now with this change upgrading holes is going to be much more difficult. Not only do you have to remove any left over dead poses but all the dead COs too. So they will be destroyed in wh and no we have plenty of risk. Just ask all the haulers i watch leave a pos to get torpedoed seconds later at the custom office.

The majority of people who think its a bad idea have no solid ground to base their arguments off of, it's all emotional bullshit about how CCP is a bad company and how blobby goons are going to take over eve, and you're doing nothing to help.

Well, you are absolutely right. The only wormhole corps or ops on the reg that wouldn't really care about a lot of your concerns would be the smaller outfits run by the one odd russian with 12 accounts, or a small team of guys.

However, these particularly smaller units have everything to fear about giving an inch to anyone at all, even if they wouldn't care about mass hits from an itty run every other day. They must have the CO's all set to off.

In EVE, theirs few circumstances where it pays to be friendly at the chance of a little bit more pay in exchange for opening the door to a future burn.

Well, I've got mixed feellings on first impressions. I like that PI is finally getting some aspect of conflict, and I like that the CO's will be using PI materials to build them.

I'm less sure about how disruptive it is going to be to get any PI done if the CO's keep getting shot up every few days. Especially in low sec where its harder to secure an area. I almost wonder if the structures should stay in a reinforced mode for longer to deter opportunistic griefing, the longer you go from the forst attack the less likely they are to come back for the lulz.

I like that a CO is still operational while in RF, that reduces the griefing aspect as players don't lose out on production unless the CO is destroyed outright.

RF mechanics vs stront. I think I prefer the fuel-less sov style RF timer to using stront, simply because if a CO burns fuel when RF'ed then it will promote griefing using ships that dont use ammo (lasers, fighters etc) to waste the owners fuel and so cost ISK. I think it might end up being more irritating having to refuel and not lead to much resulting fun.

Command Centre capacity. If CO's are going to be removed everywhere outside of high sec then I think that planetary launches may need a boost. 'Ninja PI' is going to suck if you can't get the goods off world faster than your colony makes the stuff. IIRC launches are constrained by the command centres capacity and have a time constraint (1 every 24hrs? is it). I have never actually used planetary launches as spaceports just always seemed the better option.

I can see in the future that I may be designing some colonies for launches and using a CO on the world where I assemble stuff for import/export. In which case I need to be able to launch enough stuff to act as a viable alternative to building and defending a CO on every world.

CO's to use alliance standings. As a null sec dweller and CEO, I find it best to use alliance standings to govern who can use the outpost we currently manage, who our POS guns fire on and who shows up blue or red in overview. Our corp standings are not used, we are part of the alliance and follow its diplomacy. If we are going to be owning CO's, I'd like to be able to set them to use alliance standings, and for other corps in the alliance to be able to use them in kind. What I do not want to do is end up micro managing corp standings to reflect changes in alliance standings. That would not be fun.

Question on a different topic regarding the CO.

If the CO is in reinforce is it usable or locked out?

Could you kindly put that can of worms away?

The point that many of us are griping about is that PI producers in low-sec make money based on some premises:

1) access to the CO is unrestricted.
2) yeild is generally high on low-sec planets compared to high-sec.
3) The CO is always there.
4) the support of a full corporation isn't required for day to day operation.

When those premises are not in place, it simply is not profitable to do PI. To elaborate further as to why:

1) We can eventually get to the CO and get our goods and leave. Not being able to get goods out in reasonable volumes removes the planet's viability.
2) Several things contribute to this, but it's generally unaffected by the changes that have been put forth by development.
3) Having to build and maintain a CO is expensvie and cost-prohibitive for anyone but a small corporation or larger group of people. See next point.
4) The whole process will not typically support an entire corporation of people wanting to make money. The money just isn't there and even with the radical changes in prices that will occur, it will remain non-viable.

1. I don't know why so many people think high sec PI is going to be very fruitful with a doubled tax. I blame CCP sympathizers. They don't actually know how economies work and just act like yes-men for CCP. High sec PI is already a fairly crappy chore for very little output, and continuing PI in high sec will remain an only slightly fruitful task.

2. The taxes WILL be too high. Such is the nature of any large corporation/alliance; put as much pressure on a niche as possible to exploit the market in your favor. Goonswarm is trying to do that with ice belts as we speak. Now, instead of just ice belt ganking, we're going to see a lot of POCO's we can't access or get taxed heavily on because the major alliances are going to hog them up so they can manipulate the PI market to their benefit.

3. You must be crazy to think a 500m3 launch is going to solve this problem. If they made it a 5000m3 launch, I could maybe understand. But 500? No, I'm just going to ditch my PI and find some other way to make my ISK.

4. What small PI corp is going to be able to maintain and defend that POCO? When a larger corporation decides they want the moon your small corp's POS is sitting at, what happens to that POS? It gets destroyed. The same will happen to your POCO. All you will have accomplished is wasting time, ISK, and materials to get it up and running. What incentive would people have to use your POCO when they can either hire a mercenary to blast it to bits for probably a pretty cheap fee, or just blow it up themselves? A small corp, PI or otherwise, is typically going to run during one or two time zones. It won't last very long.

You missed a lot of meaningful things said in this thread. But most of them are from the people who oppose this being implemented. All I have seen so far from the people who like this idea(I've read at least 200 posts) is a bunch of bull about how people are going to work together, or how alliances and corporations will be reasonable with the taxes and standings, just a bunch of unrealistic bull****.

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