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Susan Black
Ice Fire Warriors
#181 - 2012-10-22 21:31:08 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
IMHO, there should be only one type of plex period, with NPC's spawning either way.
OMFG?!?

Are you seriously championing Susan Black's idea that plexes should have NO ship restrictions whatsoever? Do you just blindly agree with every dumb idea she puts forward?

Who got elected to the CSM? You or her? You don't seem to do much independent thinking, that's for sure.


wow...lol

Hans is talking about offensive/defensive plexes not plex sizes.

The original 'one plex size' was an idea I toyed with in response to the fact that I was seeing less and less varied pvp as people gravitated toward 'brute forcing' plexes with the 'best' possible ship type that would fit. However, I believe that the ship balancing that CCP Fozzie is doing will greatly eliminate this, so it's somewhat of a non issue at the moment --at least until we see how things play out in Retribution.

The defensive/offensive idea Hans is talking about is making it so that you have to shoot rats in defensive plexes as well. I think this is in response to some concern about the ability to farm defensive plexes without the risk of NPC interference.

Hopefully, in being able to wail on these features early, we will be able to monitor things such as defensive plexing, and any other concerns, and be able to provide useful feedback to CCP about them before Retribution...so that adjustments can be made if necessary.



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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#182 - 2012-10-22 21:35:05 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:

I am not really raging anything just saying ... as we know already CCP favors always gallente/minmatar block.


You're right, conspiracy theories aren't always full of rage. But if they go un-medicated, they will develop into rage.


I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#183 - 2012-10-22 21:45:28 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
Bad Messenger wrote:

I am not really raging anything just saying ... as we know already CCP favors always gallente/minmatar block.


You're right, conspiracy theories aren't always full of rage. But if they go un-medicated, they will develop into rage.




guess who is trying to make tier 5 lp dump today
Ashterothi
The Order of Thelemic Ascension
The Invited
#184 - 2012-10-22 21:49:29 UTC
Actually considering gal currently holds the systems, but almost all of them are in vulnerable, it could be a very interesting couple of days.

I look forward to it.

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Deacon Abox
Black Eagle5
#185 - 2012-10-22 21:50:52 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
War Kitten wrote:
Bad Messenger wrote:

I am not really raging anything just saying ... as we know already CCP favors always gallente/minmatar block.


You're right, conspiracy theories aren't always full of rage. But if they go un-medicated, they will develop into rage.




guess who is trying to make tier 5 lp dump today


Yeah man, I feel so favored. I been totally raking in the lp with my easier major plexes. That's why there are so many more gallente farmers than calda . . uh . . ergl . .

maybe you can spare me some of your psychiatric medication. What do you say bud?

CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, [u]please[/u] give us a persisting off button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals.

War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#186 - 2012-10-22 21:51:02 UTC
Jaime Gomes wrote:


True story bra. the 24 hours is a joke. only favours the ones with the advantage. Besides the most aproppriate situation would be to reset all systems. But then again they didnt reset them the last time they upgraded inferno.


Yeah, kick over everyone's FW sand castles and start with a new beach.

Might as well reset LP wallets too, since there was so much extra LP generated and exchanged for isk.

But those mods, ships and implants got bought by people outside the FW too, so you better reset everyone's wallets.

Hell, everyone used the implants too, so you better reset everyone's skills.

Ah what the heck... erase the Database and start over.

Yeah, that's a good way to go about things.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#187 - 2012-10-22 21:52:36 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
I'll be watching this thread very closely. Thanks to everyone who has helped us get to this point and we're committed to continuing forward.


Good choice, should have nerfed the mechanic some weeks ago imo.

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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#188 - 2012-10-22 21:52:37 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
War Kitten wrote:
Bad Messenger wrote:

I am not really raging anything just saying ... as we know already CCP favors always gallente/minmatar block.


You're right, conspiracy theories aren't always full of rage. But if they go un-medicated, they will develop into rage.




guess who is trying to make tier 5 lp dump today


LOL - I haven't done FW since Caldari was the dominant one that everyone was sure that CCP favored.

Better put that tinfoil hat back on.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Gunship
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#189 - 2012-10-22 21:57:39 UTC
mini are busy tonight, we tried but at 10:1 we only had a few fights.

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Ashterothi
The Order of Thelemic Ascension
The Invited
#190 - 2012-10-22 21:57:57 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
marketjacker wrote:
Bad Messenger wrote:
ScarredEye wrote:
Damar gonna rage. We gonna thank him for it.


blah blah stuff about plexing


faction warfare is not about farming.


tell me one reason why Damar would rage?



you are one of the few people that's deranged enough to understand him, take a look at your own raging posts in here, lacking logic and reason. Then imagine Damar.


I am not really raging anything just saying that less than day is not fair for all militias, but as we know already CCP favors always gallente/minmatar block.

CCP favors gal? That's why they left hybrids broken for so long, blow up an Gal Titan in every video they can get away with, messing with drones capabilities, and made them all look like giant turds right?

Oh right, they are bringing the Tengu and Drake to be in line with the rest of the galaxy, they must hate you so much.

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Jaime Gomes
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#191 - 2012-10-22 21:58:26 UTC
Ashterothi wrote:
Actually considering gal currently holds the systems, but almost all of them are in vulnerable, it could be a very interesting couple of days.

I look forward to it.



Indeed. interesting.

If gallente have the lp they can go tier 5 right now. If caldari dont push the next 12 hours (the ones that actually care) the entire militia will fall. Htey just have to break trough gallente militia and the tons of mercs and pirate, many of them under the payroll of the gals, in black rise. No biggie.

Interesting indeed to see whats what.

Someone needs to tell ccp the year has a 11th month. Seems someone ripped the page out.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#192 - 2012-10-22 22:01:11 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Personally I believe the largest payouts possible should be for killing rival faction pilots, not territory games, but I know that is difficult to keep free of alt exploitation.
Not really. LP reward from killing an enemy pilot is based upon the worth of their ship when destroyed.

So, unless someone wants to use an alt to start blowing up their main's 200M ISK ships, the LP gain for this sort of exploitation is going to be reasonably low (not too mention slow.) Of course, the LP gained has to have an estimated ISK worth well below what the blowed-up ship is worth.


Say what?

Ranger1 says he wishes the largest payouts came from killing other faction's pilots, but that it would be hard to reward that heavily without it being exploited.

You disagree (with something), and point out exactly why ship destruction isn't the highest reward: because of the exploit-proof implementation.

What was your point?
The rewards for killing enemies are exceptionally small, at the moment. They could be increased without there being a danger of exploitation.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#193 - 2012-10-22 22:02:11 UTC
Jaime Gomes wrote:
Good to see csm supporting this.
They support everything CCP does. (In this case, the support is appropriate.) They are nothing, if not excellent cheerleaders.
Ashterothi
The Order of Thelemic Ascension
The Invited
#194 - 2012-10-22 22:09:40 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Jaime Gomes wrote:
Good to see csm supporting this.
They support everything CCP does. (In this case, the support is appropriate.) They are nothing, if not excellent cheerleaders.

Wait... isn't it possible that they are behind it, because they have been helping with the design? Shocked

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Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#195 - 2012-10-22 22:10:35 UTC
Susan Black wrote:
The defensive/offensive idea Hans is talking about is making it so that you have to shoot rats in defensive plexes as well. I think this is in response to some concern about the ability to farm defensive plexes without the risk of NPC interference.
If someone wants to farm defensive plexes, more power to them. The payout is pretty ****, per Fozzie's equaltion.

LP Gain = Base value of plex * (Contested percentage of the system/100) * 0.75

They payout strictly from the T2 base (modified downwards by contested percentage) ... there is no warzone control scaling. So the ISK/hour potential is very low. Thus, there is no real problem here.
Weitkunat
Moira.
#196 - 2012-10-22 22:10:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Weitkunat
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Jaime Gomes wrote:
Good to see csm supporting this.
They support everything CCP does. (In this case, the support is appropriate.) They are nothing, if not excellent cheerleaders.


That just isn't true.


This is going to be awesome, especially after the proposed NPC changes. Faction warfare should be about (gasp!) warfare, not farming the system to hell and back for ISK.

Well done, CCP, and well done Team Game of Drones. Keep it up.
Garr Earthbender
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#197 - 2012-10-22 22:11:22 UTC
OK, so here's a question I have. It's based out of a lack of knowledge in the 1st place.

Is there a currently a cap on how over-contested a system can be? And if there is no cap, will there be a cap in this new system? Currently it's an effort in futility to try and decontest a vulnerable system. I think.

-Scissors is overpowered, rock is fine. -Paper
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#198 - 2012-10-22 22:13:45 UTC
Garr Earthbender wrote:
OK, so here's a question I have. It's based out of a lack of knowledge in the 1st place.

Is there a currently a cap on how over-contested a system can be? And if there is no cap, will there be a cap in this new system? Currently it's an effort in futility to try and decontest a vulnerable system. I think.
No cap currently. You can farm and farm and farm and the contested state increases forever beyond 100%.

And yes, there will be a cap in the new system. Not sure if that happens tomorrow or Dec 4.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#199 - 2012-10-22 22:15:00 UTC
Weitkunat wrote:
This is going to be awesome, especially after the proposed NPC changes. Faction warfare should be about (gasp!) warfare, not farming the system to hell and back for ISK.
Did I say otherwise?
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#200 - 2012-10-22 22:15:39 UTC
Nice changes CCP. Looking forward to it.

Looks like I need to change my forum sig. You've finally done what so many have been asking for.

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