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Firstly, I don’t understand the dev’s approach of “let’s try this first and if it doesn’t work we’ll change it.” Eve’s market is a delicate beast, and for many well-thought comments on this thread, it is more than evident that for people who actually play and use PI feature within the context of the game’s environment and politics, most of the changes will introduce more problems.

I think we universally agree that this change hurts ninja-PI. As said, lowsec planets will either have CO owned by large alliances who can field blob warfare, or not enough CO since anyone erects one will be taken down by the blob. I don’t do ninja-PI myself but I seriously do not see the reason for this part of the gameplay to be effectively removed by the hard reality of the game’s social structure.

Another important question is… why not allow upgradable defense on CO? The current HP spec looks like there will be only two groups attacking the offices: blobs and stealthbomber greifers. Blobing structure in Eve is uninteresting; I think we have a consensus. It may make sense in a weird way in 0.0 but it simply is not interesting for wspace fights. It will either be an invasion, where the attacker side is committed to stay in system despite the ever-changing static exits, or steathbombers who has nothing better to do other than generating spam mails to some directors.

Making CO upgradable is a natural choice of course, IMO. No, PI haulers don’t need to become immune to ganks at the offices, since the office can simply be locked to only shoot back when itself is being attacked. CO should function more like PoS, allow players to place modular defense (in exchange, consume fuel, and need to choose between more defense or more industrial functions), and should have HP and reinforce timer adjusted to what kind of system it is in (nullsec, wspace, lowsec should have different rules). In essence, the CO should have its sturdiness sensible to its surrounding environment.

Anyway, the “plan” from the devblog sounds like a poorly drafted idea that ignores reality of the game and will create too many problems. I’d say the dev needs time to think this through and make this change more sensible to more people who actually do PI.

PS: I just saw there seems to be a deadline to rush for... and no, I don't think implement this half-baked idea between thanksgiving and christmas will benefit the players. It will be the crappy Tyrannis PI all again.

If you "own" space, should you not have the ability to use it and deny everyone else access? Eve is a massive multiplayer game, if you choose to play "casually" you can keep your PI to highsec where there is no risk, or you can team up with friends or business partners and take over a constellation of lowsec or nullsec.

You have got to be insane to drop dreads on a structure with 7.5m ehp to shoot. For a comparison, a small pos has more or less the same amount of ehp, but customs offices will (should?) have less resists, and of course a customs office will have no guns.

Let's say you have a group of 15 friends who want to troll a larger alliance. You all take bombers and head on over to the system, it will take you about 15 to 20 minutes to reinforce the customs office, and much less time to destroy it if you decide to. It's easy griefing for little effort if you keep reinforcing (and killing) the same customs office over and over again.


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Is there any possibility of combining a HP target AND an occupancy target?

The problem with a HP-only target is that you can drop a bob on the CO, reinforce it in 5 minutes, and move on. Plus, the HP is large enough to discourage small gang activity.

It would be awesome if it worked a little more like this:

CO is attacked. At 25% shields, the field must be occupied for 30 minutes. After 30 minutes of occupancy, it goes into reinforced.

If the HP is cut by half then the lone gunman will still be discouraged from attacking every CO he sees. With a timer involved at the same time, it really reduces the effectiveness of the blob. The blob can get through the HP quickly but still has to wait out the timer. An occupancy timer will keep people on the field and encourage PvP.

Had this pointed out to me in a chat channel a few minutes ago. Very true! \o/

Valid point, but there is more to it than that.

The new CO system can and will have an impact of corps that wish to take your wormhole, not to mention static wormholes that have fairly regular visitors.

If someone wishes to take over your WH, they have to consider that if they wish to fully utilize it they will need to spend the time to remove your infrastructure.
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f they wish to harass you, they now have another way to do so.

If you wish to move to another WH, you too will have these same advantages and disadvantages to weigh.

Also, of course you can place a zero % tax on your CO... but most corps would consider at least a 5% tax on import/export. Especially when you consider that if your corp members were doing PI on an already less lucurative high sec planet they would be paying 10% now. In fact, under the current system they are already paying 5% with none of that going to benefit the corp.

now i know i'l never do PI outside of highsec

my ass will i pay additional taxes to some random guy or build/buy a customs office which we all know will be overpriced XD

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Don't forget about resists. And cap stability over time. And ammo re-supply for those 5 BC.

That's something I noticed right off. No comments on this from the CSM. I mean the last several blogs and announcements were manipulated in the forum so the first responses were from CSM members (and CCP Devs) in a pretty obvious attempt to tell us how we are supposed to think. Nice to see they have dropped that heavy-handed and insulting style, but seeing no CSM comments all of a sudden .... just something I noticed....

AND Provi space holders!