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Ship Personal, Defending and Boarding Ship, Pilot Assets, and New Skill Books
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Staleward Ad'mraa
F-I-N-K PROPERTY
#1 - 2012-10-21 05:06:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Staleward Ad'mraa
Ship Personal: New Addition to New Eden

One thing is most fundamental for all ships, regardless if the pod can control everything about it or not, is the crew. An crew is normally used to keep all ships within required working order and keeps engines running while the captain focuses on important tasks. This would bring more meaning to players gameplay, increasing the players ability to aggressively attack or defend in systems that are located in null, low, or high sec while adding onto the lure of New Eden.

For the first time, the crew is defined as an assets to players! Unlike modules, rigs, or subsystems; an crew can be deployed and doesn't require to be equipped to the ship. Ship Personal will be placed within their respective areas and will automatically give a boost to players abilities, while some are used to defend the ship from aggressive hostile takeovers by other players. Players will also be able to launch marine personal to attempt a hostile takeover of a ship or defend their ships with security personal from the hostile takeovers. Hostile takeovers will take multiple attempts to take over a ship, this is officer boosts and personal numbers, which gives more realistic feeling to the game.

I am going to leave all bonuses blank for now.

Ship Personal Types

Bridge
  • First Officer
  • Lead Operator
  • Assistant Operator


Cargo Bay
  • Supply Chief
  • Supply Officer
  • Supply Personal
  • Ammunition/Weapons Handler


Drone Control
  • Drone Chief
  • Drone Operator


Drone Bay
  • Drone Handler
  • Drone Mechanic
  • Drone Assistant Mechanic


Radar Control
  • Radar Chief
  • Radar Operator


Engineering - Maintenance
  • Chief Mechanic
  • Mechanic
  • Assistant Mechanic


Sick Bay
  • Chief Physician
  • ICU Head
  • Nurse


Ship Security
  • Security Chief
  • Security Officer
  • Security Guards


Shuttle Bay
  • Marine Chief
  • Marine Officer
  • Marine Soldiers


Personal Tiers

Marine and Security Personal
  • Tier 1: Recruit
  • Tier 2: Seasoned
  • Tier 3: Veteran


Note: Considered an Player Asset.
Staleward Ad'mraa
F-I-N-K PROPERTY
#2 - 2012-10-21 05:06:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Staleward Ad'mraa
New Gameplay: Boarding and Defending Ship

Boarding
Considered an Pilot Asset. By using Marine soldiers, players are able to send as many fleet personal as they want to take over another players ship. If successful the player will be ejected from ship and the ship will become an ally NPC for a limited amount of time, this will allow to turn the tide of battles depending on what type of ship was taken over, when time is up the marines will return to your ship. How many soldiers and officers that can be sent to a player ship depends on the capacity of rapid assault shuttle used. Marine Chief's role is to extend the amount of time the personal have control of ship before they abandon it and return to player ship.

Defending
Considered an Pilot Asset. Defending the ship depends on how many security personal and security officer's boost which allows players to defend the ship more efficiency. Security Chief increases the amount of health the security officers have until he or she is killed in action, same goes with all other security personal. If you fail to defend your ship from hostile takeover, this result in you being ejected from your ship which can leave your pod vulnerable to fire so stock up on security personal and hope for the best.

Note: If the ship is not claimed after battle, any player will be able to board ship and claim it as theirs. To ensure no one claims the ship as theirs while you dock at station or capital, you may leave security personal on the ship to defend it while you are away. Any player who tries to take the ship will require to send an assault team to take the ship to eliminate security personal.

New Trade Good: Shuttles

Rapid Assault Shuttles
These shuttles are used to transport marine soldiers and marine officer to another ship in order to take them over. Players who are smart will shot these shuttles, replenishing any hostile takeover attempt by another player. How many personal transported depends on the capacity and type of shuttle that is in use.

Note: Considered an Pilot Asset.

Transport Shuttles
These shuttles are used to deliver important passengers to another ship, adding an new type of missions for the game. These shuttles are very vulnerable to outside fire, which can lead them to being destroyed and mission failed. It is important to protect these ships or wait till all enemies are destroyed before transporting important passengers. How many passengers transported depends on the capacity and type of shuttle that is in use. Players may also use these shuttles to transport personal to other ships, giving a extra boost to the players who lost personal.

Note: Considered an Pilot Asset.
Staleward Ad'mraa
F-I-N-K PROPERTY
#3 - 2012-10-21 05:06:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Staleward Ad'mraa
New Skill: Skill Books

Personal Recruiting
Pre-requirements: None
Description: Must be learned for players to be able to use ship personal on ship.
Required For:
Skills

  • Personal Degree
  • Second Hand Degree
  • Chief Degree
  • Ceramic Armor
  • Weapons Development

Pilot Assets
  • Recruit Lead Operator
  • Seasoned Lead Operator
  • Veteran Lead Operator
  • Recruit Assistant Operator
  • Seasoned Assistant Operator
  • Veteran Assistant Operator
  • Recruit Supply Personal
  • Seasoned Supply Personal
  • Supply Personal
  • Recruit Ammunition/Weapons Handler
  • Seasoned Ammunition/Weapons Handler
  • Veteran Ammunition/Weapons Handler
  • Recruit Drone Operator
  • Seasoned Drone Operator
  • Veteran Drone Operator
  • Recruit Drone Handler
  • Seasoned Drone Handler
  • Veteran Drone Handler
  • Recruit Drone Mechanic
  • Seasoned Drone Mechanic
  • Veteran Drone Mechanic
  • Recruit Radar Operator
  • Seasoned Radar Operator
  • Veteran Radar Operator
  • Recruit Mechanic
  • Seasoned Mechanic
  • Veteran Mechanic
  • Recruit Nurse
  • Seasoned Nurse
  • Veteran Nurse

Personal Degree
Pre-requirements: Personal Recruiting
Description: All personal are trained in leadership and command.
Increases all personal boosts by 1% per level
Required For:

Skills
  • Second Hand Degree
  • Chief Degree
  • Ceramic Armor
  • Weapons Development

Second Hand Degree
Pre-requirements: Personal Recruiting, Personal Degree
Description: All officers, assistants, and heads are trained in leadership and command.
Increases all officer, assistant, and head boosts by 1% per level
Required For:

Skills
  • Chief Degree
  • Ceramic Armor
  • Weapons Development

Pilot Assets
  • Recruit First Officer
  • Seasoned First Officer
  • Veteran First Officer
  • Recruit Supply Officer
  • Seasoned Supply Officer
  • Veteran Supply Officer
  • Recruit Drone Assistant Mechanic
  • Seasoned Drone Assistant Mechanic
  • Veteran Drone Assistant Mechanic
  • Recruit Assistant Mechanic
  • Seasoned Assistant Mechanic
  • Veteran Assistant Mechanic
  • Recruit ICU Head
  • Seasoned ICU Head
  • Veteran ICU Head

Chief Degree
Pre-requirements: Personal Recruiting, Personal Degree, Second Hand Degree
Description: All chief are trained in leadership and command.
Increases all chief boosts by 1% per level
Required For:

Skills
  • Ceramic Armor
  • Weapons Development

Pilot Assets
  • Recruit Supply Chief
  • Seasoned Supply Chief
  • Veteran Supply Chief
  • Recruit Drone Chief
  • Seasoned Drone Chief
  • Veteran Drone Chief
  • Recruit Radar Chief
  • Seasoned Radar Chief
  • Veteran Radar Chief
  • Recruit Chief Mechanic
  • Seasoned Chief Mechanic
  • Veteran Chief Mechanic
  • Recruit Chief Physician
  • Seasoned Chief Physician
  • Veteran Chief Physician

    • Ceramic Armor
    Pre-requirements: Personal Recruiting, Personal Degree, Second Hand Degree, Chief Degree
    Description: Researched and Development of ceramic armor designed to protect personal's lives.
    Increases all security and marine health by 1% per level
    Required For:

    Pilot Assets
    • Recruit Security Chief
    • Seasoned Security Chief
    • Veteran Security Chief
    • Recruit Security Officer
    • Seasoned Security Officer
    • Veteran Security Officer
    • Recruit Security Guards
    • Seasoned Security Guards
    • Veteran Security Guards

    Weapons Development
    Pre-requirements: Personal Recruiting, Personal Degree, Second Hand Degree, Chief Degree
    Description: Researched and Development of weaponry designed to deal more lethal damage.
    Increases all security and marine damage by 1% per level
    Required For:

    Pilot Assets
    [list]
  • Recruit Marine Chief
  • Seasoned Marine Chief
  • Veteran Marine Chief
  • Recruit Marine Officer
  • Seasoned Marine Officer
  • Veteran Marine Officer
  • Recruit Marine Soldiers
  • Seasoned Marine Soldiers
    • [*]Veteran Marine Soldiers
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#4 - 2012-10-21 06:25:43 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
As I said in the last idea about "ship takeovers"...

I am an immortal demi-god whose brain is hooked into every sensor and switch in the ship. If I detect unwanted stowaways in my ship, why would I NOT seal off and depressurize the compromised sections of the ship, open them to space, and vent plasma through them? Sure... I lose some crew... but according to the lore they are a dime a dozen and 15 thousand ISK can effectively put someone on contract for life.

/lolrp

But seriously... PvP combat doesn't last long enough for this to be viable. Small skirmishes go about 1 or 2 minutes. Big fleet battles last for hours... but that's only because there are so many people. As soon as a ship gets primaried it is often dead in less than 30 seconds.
I could see Pirates trying to use this to capture sexy ships in gatecamps... but the victim is likely to just self-destruct the ship.
Same goes for mission runners.

How did you Veterans start?
Staleward Ad'mraa
F-I-N-K PROPERTY
#5 - 2012-10-21 06:30:59 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
As I said in the last idea about "ship takeovers"...

I am an immortal demi-god whose brain is hooked into every sensor and switch in the ship. If I detect unwanted stowaways in my ship, why would I NOT seal off and depressurize the compromised sections of the ship, open them to space, and vent plasma through them? Sure... I lose some crew... but according to the lore they are a dime a dozen and 15 thousand ISK can effectively put someone on contract for life.

/lolrp

But seriously... PvP combat doesn't last long enough for this to be viable. Small skirmishes go about 1 or two minutes. Big fleet battles last for hours... but that's only because there are so many people. As soon as a ship get's primaried it is often dead in less than 30 seconds.
I could see Pirates trying to use this to capture sexy ships in gatecamps... but the victim is likely to just self-destruct the ship.
Same goes for mission runners.


It is suppose to add a new gameplay while making players feeling like actual captains of their ship. I designed it for big fleet battles mostly and pirates, maybe some players who like to experiment. This is basically adding an actual crew to your ship, offering advantages and disadvantages. Of course the number of people is limited to the capacity of the certain area on the ship. You did give me a idea about depressurizing certain areas of the ship, of course it should be on an time limit due to the A.I. assault crew moves through certain compartments while security A.I. tries to counter that...
Gerrick Palivorn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-10-21 06:51:48 UTC
Seriously, you spent a lot of work and time thinking through the details. ShahFluffers is correct in his statement, this would take a large amount of programing and balancing as well as force every player in the game to adapt to one more level of depth that they probably wouldn't want in the first place. You say you design it specifically for large fleet battles and pirates but ignore the fact that most ships in large fleets, once primaried, don't last longer than a few cycles of the enemies guns.

You're very passionate about your idea's but sometimes you need to step back and listen to what other people are telling you.

MMOs come and go, but Eve remains.  -Garresh-
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#7 - 2012-10-22 01:40:39 UTC
surely the amount of posts this took to explain this should show the massive complexity and flaws to this.

also, why would one spend minutes to take over a ship when they can burn through it with turret love in a matter of seconds.
agreed crews are a dime a dozen and so are many ships. there are no significant gains to spending time and resources to capture someone elses ship.

boardings like this dont even happen in real life, only in tv. seriously, when was the last time u heard about a commando or seals team stealing someone elses ship in the middle of combat. or some crack team planting an explosive in a crucial fuel storage room. in reality (and eve) ships blow each other out of the water using good ol' fashioned firepower.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Alx Warlord
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-10-22 03:27:00 UTC
Also... in EVE the capsuler IS the ship. you are mind linked to it. there is no better upgrade then this... only NPCs uses crews... and they are no match for capsulers skills.... Star-trek is past!!!

Please read these!

New POS system New SOV system
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#9 - 2012-10-22 05:42:26 UTC
Alx Warlord wrote:
Also... in EVE the capsuler IS the ship. you are mind linked to it. there is no better upgrade then this... only NPCs uses crews... and they are no match for capsulers skills.... Star-trek is past!!!

Yes and no. All ships have crews... the capsuleer ships just use far less (because the pod pilot replaces the traditional command structure of the ship... which means that all one really needs are maintenance crew).

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/New_Eden_crew_guidelines

How did you Veterans start?
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#10 - 2012-10-22 08:57:14 UTC
Only way to make this make sense lore wise would be to use Dustbunnies.

And that would be a technical MARVEL to pull off in a non gimpy way.. even then it would prolly be caps only

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Me ofcourse
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2012-10-23 02:41:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Me ofcourse
actually for recruiting the crew, instead of adding a skill, make use of certificates (with 4 level of certificates each level adding to the skill of your crew under your guidance). would add a more practical use for the certificates in this case


and at the same time, with recruiting crew members, CCP might be able to add another ISK sink they have been looking for