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You seem to assume that every system has the correct types of planets for a production chain. Wrong.

Hmmmm. They seem to be vulnerable. Corp should at last get a message when its attacked not when its already in reinforced. Unless I missread. overall, the more things they hand over to player control the better. This will be very interesting!

See this is how you get non combative people to go to low sec. Nobody is being forced to exit out of high sec yet in order to make it big have to go elsewhere and low and null is where.

Now only if products produced by PI where very usable by the combatants there instead of allainces in null.

See this is how you get non combative people to go to low sec. Nobody is being forced to exit out of high sec yet in order to make it big have to go elsewhere and low and null is where.

Now only if products produced by PI where very usable by the combatants there instead of allainces in null.

I have a suggestion to this topic, have it so that if a sov system becomes vulnerable, then all the player-built custom offices become offline, and thus cannot be onlined untill the SBU's in that system have been removed. Makes all those who rely on P.I in their alliance vulnerable even more. Thus wanting them to defend their structure even more.

Shin

I understand it's a not an easy challenge, I'm definitely not trying to "ride you" about it.


My productive commentary is to consider this ::

Structure Reinforcement - Can be easily done with a small crew generally (by design) on short notice to instigate a notification for a larger fight.

Structure Vulnerable - Gives notice and time to build up a defensive army to protect said asset. In some cases there is also POS defenses (when relevant) to assist.


Now, i don't have an issue with the "bigger guy" winning, but there needs to be a balancing act against this to some degree. Who can and will do so? How can you fight back without always having the bigger numbers? In a universe like EVE especially, bigger should NOT be better - look at the traditional failure of "traditional" armies against smaller guerrilla style units in asymmetric warfare. How can that be applied to EVE without destroying the sensation of balance and natural consequence (meaning, not artificial "mini-games" in the "game" and other frivolities that take away from EVE as an open sandbox), etc.


The ability to subvert a larger force should be available, as an open sandbox too. The tools simply aren't there and we need more of those kinds of tools across the whole spectrum.

I've basically been promoting the idea that there should be multiple ways to take down installations - not just 1. That means people can cater to a strategy that works for them. Not necessarily focusing on shooting only. How that works in practice to balance out skill vs quantity vs quality is something to be refined. Also, requiring non-combat prerequisites to actually making things vulnerable in general. Rather than reinforcing the POCO/POS/etc by shooting it, require alternate ways to make it vulnerable... (I feel you may be doing this with DUST?) Or some other alternatives in general.



- Questions :

What happens to PI materials stored on the POCO when it is destroyed? They get dumped out? SO you get mad lootz? That would be incentive to just do reinforcement and destruction in some cases if you know it's being used for storage.

Do you think the double tax incentive is enough to push people out to lower sec to get their manufacturing established out there instead? Especially if people start putting higher tax rates on lower sec planets...

Does this remove a potential ISK Sink, and attribute to inflation by simply shuffling money around rather than removing it from the system? Any balance for that?

How much can you not tell us about how Dust will not interact with PI Customs Offices? (I'll infer the rest of everything you say from what you don't tell me, so you might as well just fess up now. )

This is a stupid inane idea. It's not been thought out.

One big unknown to me is how many people are on planets doing PI. If it is as sparse as I believe it is, most planets will have no CO. Why put up a CO on a resource poor/mediocre planet with only 1 or 2 command centers on it and risk it for low income?

One thing not brought up is that the only way to import is through a CO. This means that most products requiring materials from 2 different planets will be produced in high sec. In other words, lots of hauling bulky T1 materials to high sec.

I don't see CO's as being a very profitable venture. I see lots and lots of planets that never get CO's put on them, especially in low sec, where taxes would be lower simply because the materials are not as abundant.

I see prices on PI products spiking for awhile when CCP removes CO's from the game, since the 1 and only way to make something would be to haul it to high sec. I don't know how long it would take to manufacture a CO, but it would require hauling to high sec for atleast that long, and it would slowly get a little easier as more CO's are put up.

I see prices of T1 and some T2 products going up 25-50%. T3 products probably double current prices, and T4 products something higher than that. This is because of multiple import/export taxes to make higher tier products. T2 and higher products that can't be made on 1 planet will be at a premium for the same reason. Some products will be more affected than others by this change, since it necessitates hauling bulky low value materials between planets.

What would the incentive be to have a CO with less than 100% tax? I don't see any.

From my perspective, PI was intended to be something that was a side venture that didnt take alot of time, but didn't produce lots of income either. There is a limit of what you can make ISK wise with PI. You can only have so many planets and so many facilities on each planet. Once that is maxed, so is your PI income. You can't spend more time in game, or get more skills or do anything to increase that limit.

You can train a character to max skills in PI in about 3.5 months, without implants or remaps. Your income should be limited because of the low skill requirements.

This change makes a low risk, low skill, low income, little time investment passive side venture type of endeavor that is largely a boring pain in the ass, into a low risk, low skill, low income, big time investment side venture that is a very boring, very big pain in the ass.

Why do I say that? You'll be spending more time looking for planets with CO's. Since the high (20x current rates) taxes, it makes sense to haul to T1/T2 materials high sec, which takes time.

I do think that PI needs something, but making it more painful to do is really really counterproductive to making Eve a fun engaging game.

So, losec/null PI is now a corp thing... not going to make friends with that one Spitfire.

Not that I give a rat's arse.

as i wrote in the other thread:


If this goes live, lowsec PI is going to become a pain in the ass.

As i understand it, with the standing system, people can exclude others from using the planet, effectively clamining it for themselves. Even if they don't, they can just set the tax up to 20-fold of what it is now. making any endeavour on this planet an effective isk sink.

On the other hand, there are going to be massive amounts of bored whatever people randomly killing customs offices for the lulz.

I can hardly see how this shall be a polished feature.While it might work for nullsec, people there will have their taxes dictated or plainly denied from alliance leadership anyway. As for lowsec, as I said, I can't imagine PI being a reliable source of income anymore, as either you cannot import/export due to ownership change, or you will sooner or later get your customs office destroyed anyway.

This change seems to be a really crude idea, leaving me to ask myself if i may have misunderstood something about it or if CCP Omen and friends didn't do their homework on this one.

So PI becomes like Moon farming ?

Power blocks rule ...