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So current offices will stay there until someone decides to step in and control them?

That's not our intention, if you are a small corp you are very much the focus of this. But honestly, what if a large alliance takes control of a CO and charge you 9% tax? Isn't that fine? they provide the service, you pay for it and it's cheaper than highsec? Our assumption is that Alliances or any corp will want to make money off their CO in low-sec. If that assumption turns out to be wrong, then we might intervene with a future update.

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I don't see this going over well in Nullsec, considering how frustrating getting these things up will be, and how we're going to have to install one on every single planet we want to do PI on. Not to mention how many random roving annoyances will pop them just to be a jerk. Will we be able to place defenses up? Get alerts when they're getting attacked? Have a chance to repair them?

I just don't know. It sounds like a fun idea, but at the same time, it sounds like it could make it a bit more difficult than it should be. Wonder if there could be a "default" NPC Customs Office that we could upgrade instead.

Why would a large alliance charge anything less than 100% tax for planets "open to the public?"

I'm not sure I fully understand the mechanics of the Player Owned Customs Office. I'm part of a corp that lives out of NPC 0.0 space, how would this affect us? Are all of our existing PI installations going to be destroyed when this feature is enabled? If not, how do we get our goo off if there's no POCO anchored? I feel like we need more details on this change so we can fully understand the changes.

I'm like a few other people here and am very limited in my playing time but enjoy the passive income PI generates. If this change requires more time or makes it more difficult to make isk from PI then why use it? I'm just worried that the PI income I use to buy PvP ships will disappear.

I like this. PI is harder to do, but you generate more *Shtuff* per planet. You can also shut down other peoples PI (which you can't do at the moment unless Dust is still planned to come out? )

It will be possible to starve out people in WH space by taking out the structure and it also promotes small gang fights because of their relatively low HP and the fact you can't stack 100 guns on them.

The only issue I see is if people attack it while the owners are offline, but if I understand the reinforced timer thing that eliminates that for the most part.

-Increased risk
-Increased return
-Player run
-Promotes small gang PVP

We need more updated like this.

The thread was going really fast when I started taking this down, so apologies if I missed some responses that address some of my questions/issues.

At first glance, I really don't like this. This whole idea makes a fair amount of sense for null/WH space given their "frontier" status, but I don't think it fits for lowsec, which is still empire space when all is said and done. To me the Customs Office seems like it should fall into the same category as a NPC station in empire space. Players can't build them, players can't blow them up. In null/WH space, everything goes. If I'm reading the blog correctly, minimum standings on the CO could be set to deny folks you don't like. That essentially makes it a planetary sovereignty structure. If we can't claim sovereignty over a system in empire space, why should we be able to claim sovereignty over a planet?

I'm in a small and what is essentially a personal corp since most of the other members are fairly inactive. I do PI in lowsec because there's a good balance between risk and reward. Adding in the CO structure costs and potential defense costs makes for more risk and much less reward (at least in the short term), as does having to pay a potentially unfriendly entity who gouges prices. It seems like yet another way that a large entity can totally screw the little guy just trying to pull in some cash. The response that "little guys should be in highsec" is crap. From what I've seen, highsec planets are terrible compared with planets in low/null/WH space, and in my opinion, not worth the time.

The risk is even further increased with griefers who just want to blow up "that stupid carebear structure" just for some lulz, and no other gain. Granted, if the structures are hard enough to kill, that may be minimized, but there are still plenty of folks with supers that just love drinking up carebear tears and would do it just for laughs.

This just seems to be another game mechanic that will benefit the strong at the expense of the weak.

I agree with previous comments that there should be some sort of automated defense since you can't count on the "invulnerable because I have an outpost or ihub" factor.

General questions:

1) Why is there a two-step building process for deploying the customs office? From what I understand, you acquire/manufacture a gantry, anchor it, then upgrade it to a customs office where you supply additional materials. Why not just make the CO an anchorable structure on its own?
2) Will this introduce some mechanism for moving commodities between players (contract, corp hangar, trades, etc)?
3) Is there any consideration for making the amount of cargo you can launch into space without a CO larger? 500m3 is stupid small.
4) Will there be a new mechanism introduced to import cargo to a planet without using the CO?
5) The blog says 'The space port “hangar” is gone'. Does that mean the space port structure on the planet has no cargo capacity? Or does that just mean that the middle pane of the "move stuff to/from the CO" window is gone?
6) What is meant by "we have increased the bandwidth on all planetary links by a factor of five"?

so it was the secret CSMs knew ?

i'm really worried about the impact on short term after the launch, as people have said we will have issues for weeks or maybe months until the new infrasctrucrures and prices are stabiliszed... and that will impact lots of things.

and if the idea of having a "mini station" i can manage is nice, but knowing it cost 80M minimum, for ONE planet, and can be destroyed easily by anyone...
you should boost the production rate at least... and boost low sec a lot given it risk the be the more attacked place, and anyway need boost.


if you can put more than one, you have no reason to destroy the one of the others.
it may however be a better idea if they want PI to be about economic and not warfare... but they said politics, so i suppose that no.

Non reserved, I think it'll make things more interesting.

If that assumption is the outcome I think that would be perfect.

I'm worrying that most would simply lock off the planets whether they use them or not, either to control the economy or prevent enemies to get ressources. Some may leave a few planets open as bait for traps.


I like the general idea of the changes, I just think this implementation encourages protectionism more than free trade.