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Of course this must be much trickier to implement, but I still think that the kill right could be an item. Claimable after you get illegally killed. It’s more immersive. Just like a body is created after a pod kill.

The underlying system should support “expirable items” so the item disappears after X days or the kill right fulfills.

Double click the item, activate the suspect flag if the target is visible by you, on your overview, not cloaked. The suspect flag stores the original item id.

That way the current item system could be used. No new underlying and exclusive storage for killrights.

Have you read anything I said prior to the last page? No seriously, have you? I went into significant detail to describe how your system will negatively affect gameplay.

Tell me, how is killing off what little is left of low-sec pvp, and how is pushing the slim remainder of criminal activity onto dedicated -10 gank alts, going to make the kill right system any more meaningful than it is today, or going to not result in horrible gameplay experience?

Are you really that ignorant to think that the people who still gank on their mains today because they possess at least a tiny shred of dignity that the people you're trying to protect lack entirely...Do you really think that those people won't outsource ganking to alts in its entirety? Or are you of the opinion that your system will somehow result in a greater amount of pvp against pilots who are already outlaws today?

Your statements regarding corporations and PUGs certainly make it sound as such, but I'm holding out a sliver of hope that you'll correct me on this.

Transfering kill rights to corps is prejudiced against NPC corp members.

Sure, they get wardec immunity for the life of their employment there, but they deserve the chance to hunt bounties with the elite pvp'ers in PUGs as much as the next WoW clone's customers do.

Nevermind that in Eve it's utterly stupid to get into a fleet with a stranger who isn't blue.

UTTERLY. STUPID.

Especially if CCP are legitimately talking about GANK PUGS lol.

That is probably inevitable IMO. I think the way you are envisioning things is spot on, I just don't believe it could ever be any other way either.

Any sort of feature that is aligned to promote meaningful consequences on those doing egregious things, is going to slide the scale in that direction. No body wants the trouble. Ultimately, thats part of sandbox gaming though. Design intent can be whatever it wants, but how the playerbase boils it down is always something else, sometimes even unrecognizable.

Whatever CCP's opinions, or dispositions are do not matter. We will warp, and game things to something else regardless. Their main goal is to keep providing us with tools and shiny things to keep us busy until we break them, thats the thing that matters most to them.

I don't think anyone would dare suggest kill rights be account wide now would you? But that is seemingly the only way out of your box we've put things in.

The only way I could see gankers wanting to take ownership of their shenanigans and not alts otherwise would be to associate notoriety that they would want attached to their "main" so to speak. I guess those bragging boards is a long term goal in that direction, but again, i might just be dreaming that this makes a difference. I could just be thinking too idealistically.

@SoniClover - what are you doing to prevent a target's friends from buying up the killright and expending it on a cheap ship?
Do you consider this valid gameplay if it is not made impossible?

This is not the problem with the current system at all.

CCP doesn't have to do anything about this aspect.

Player logic will handle that.

Successful, and sensible players will price Kill rights at something that reasonably compensates the loss that generated the right from the get go (after insurance). If the pirate really doesn't want to have the rights anymore, then he can explore the option of paying the gankee back for the dmg he dealt, but if that price is too high, he can only hope for the next 30 days no one else will pay it either.

If you are not pricing your kill rights in this capacity, then you deserve to be exploited twice for being unreasonable.

Theirs a reason why revenge is often called "Pay back".

No body has a major problem when people use minerals to manufacture things at a loss because they subscribe to the idiot belief of "my minerals i mine are free", yet it continues to happen, and we only blame them, not the game for allowing it.

So if someone prices their kill rights LOL cheap then thats there bad.

Yea we both understand each other. The difference between you and I is, I actually think theirs a game there to be played. People will be entertained by it to some extent specially when coupled up with a nice bounty. Their would be some competent pilots out there who could give the shiny a real run for it in the right kind of trap. Every now and then, people would get bested one way or the other, and life in EVE would go on.

I personally think the whole thing will break down before it even comes to that. People will just stop griefing almost entirely, or when doing it on an alt that is meaningless.

Theirs just too little to be gained by the average grief tactic anyway. The only reason why its popularity has remained apparent is because of the lack of any real consequences outside a ship going away due to concord, and a chance at a decent score on a rare whale.

You throw something particularly volatile at them, like a kill right that lasts 30 days and could be activated any time, and people will start to wonder if its worth it.

PUG hunting...

Do you think a missioner would be happy if his demsel mission was open to anyone to finish but those that want to hunt people will welcome random high sec cretins derping all over their marks? Ok then.

I have to put this in terms you can relate to (missioners and other carebears) as that stands some remote chance of being understood, it seems.

Thing is if I'm a bounty hunter and the top bounty list pay a higher percentage I'm guessing they will be the ones most worth killing. Say the top bounty offers 50% rather then the usual 20% (I made that figure up, but if you want to comment on the difference feel free ) as a bounty hunter I'm more likely to want to hunt the top one, as even suicide ganking them might be worth it if their ship is expensive enough.

On the other hand say the bottom of the list only gets you 25% of the ship cost BUT I can see they have a kill right for sale I might hunt THAT person instead. It only takes a moment of quick maths to figure out whether it's worth suicide ganking someone and losing your ship for more money or get less bounty but only pay for the kill right rather then the ship.

So the killrights when "bought" are they immediately activated? If so is there not a way to buy them and "save" them to activate (and you lose them if someone else buys, activates and kills the target)? If not I'd guess it would be a technical limitation, ut if it was possible I think it would add a lot of other possible scenarios.

Going by the information CCP released so far, the person delivering the killing blow will get the money. That is one of the worst aspects of this change. As a bounty hunter, I don't want random neutrals interfering in my kills. I'm sure I've mentioned that at least fourteen million times. Maybe even fifteen million.