Player Features and Ideas Discussion

It's not.

Absolutely, this is just part of the ongoing phased preperation for Dust, and a lot of it is handled by a separate team from CCP Fozzie, CCP Ytterbium, and the rest of the gang who are focused on the core FW fixes. All those other things you mentioned are still being worked on and still in the pipeline for Retribution.



I've been getting LP for podkills....maybe this is some new bug? Are others having this problem as well?

Killed a few pods yesterday and received no LP for them. One of them was worth 40m ISK so I thought it was weird that I didn't get anything for it.

More than 24 hours notice would've been nice though for those of us who live in originally hostile systems with several temperate planets :(


Also, LP for podkills - one of our guys petitioned this the other day after he got no LP for a 1.3bil pod and was told it's not a bug, you should never get LP for pods 'because they have no inherent value' and is part of the FW redesign. I told him to escalate that because it sounds like a load of nonsense but I don't know if he's had a reply to that.

We all know of course that this level of plexing activity only happens in non-occupied systems.... It's going to change quite a bit with the upcoming patch - so using afk alt plexing as an indicator of how "easy" or "hard" it will be to flip systems with this new feature is misleading at best.

Otherwise, bring it on. More texture to the map is better.

Nope. This is all stuff actively being built, than it'll need to go through internal testing, and public testing, before it can be uploaded to Tranquility. Right now, the expected deploy date for all of the FW changes is the Retribution release, it will be highly unlikely we'll see anything sooner.

...and I'll spare the "FW isn't an isk fountain" economics lesson for now since its been thoroughly beaten to death elsewhere. I know it's frustrating for the PvP crowd that will have to hold on for another couple of months until the plexing changes kick in and nerf the amount of AFK ninjafrigs you see around the warzone, but the amount of LP generated right now only benefits an over-inflated economy.

Auga, Lantorn, Vard, and Huola all have one Temperate planet. Dal, Siseide, and Kourm have none. Kamela and Arzad have two. Very interesting....

What about plex farming alts?! Dont u think that practice must be stopped?!

We are still for the most part waiting for their full implimentation.
From the CCP Feedback, it seems like most of my initial suggestions back in March were actually taken to heart.

I do recall saying at the time that many of the changes I was suggesting weren't exclusive for Faction Warfare but NPCs as a whole, because they're still for the most part not entertaining to engage. Still when you make such a major design change as a suggestion they can take a considerably long time to see fruition.

Provided CCP stick to the plans they have outlined, would definately say they are on the right track.

This said as far as the Complexes themselves go... the whole King of the Hill Mechanics, in my opinion are flawed because as it stands those inside need to WANT to fight; as opposed to HAVING to fight.

I still firmly stand by my original suggestion, that could lead to the inclusion of DUST Marines being used in a more direct capacity down the road. Where a new module is added for Site Capturing, when it is activated it acts like a Siege / Triage module where-by that module cycles every 1 minute... capturing only occurs while the module is active.

Now this could be offset by this person also receives say a 15% (like a DCU) bonus to their resists to increase their survivability, but still not make this a "Safe" job to undertake by any means.

Especially given the cycle time this would greatly reduce the number of "Deer in Headlights" Farmers, additionally so as obviously Speed Tanking would be impossible.

I would also extend out the Incursion Pay-out system to anyone within the Complex (for the side that Captures it) as such, a Minor (worth 10,000 LP) would actually pay-out 2,000 LP but this would be for up to 5 Players... greater than this then the pay-out becomes deminished until at 10 Players you just get a "Thank You"

This would stop the current "You're in my complex" crying that goes on, and actually get players more focused around TEAMWORK. I mean if you earn 2,000 LP with 1 person, or 5 people... who cares about asking friend to help out. It also means those who already work as fleets to do this don't get punished, but you do if you Blob-Fleet.

Attacking Neutrals within a Complex SHOULD NOT BE A SECURITY STANDINGS HIT. The only Standings hit you should receive in a Complex should be for that Faction, I also believe that should a Civilian enter as Navy Police Spawn should show up and "escort" them out... these would be different from the normal defensive spawn in there.

You can claim this would destroy the "good fights" or whatever, but frankly the sheer number of neutral pirate alts that people use in these complexes is beyond a kitten joke. Especially as they also benefit from our hard work to upgrade systems regardless of the side they have decided to fight for ... that frankly is kitten mess and should be dealt with.

Make the damn standings matter, make choosing a side matter!

DISABLE WARTARGETS DOCKING IN EACH OTHERS HIGH-SEC.
I have no issues with the Navy being a push over... but allowing a known war criminal to dock in High-Sec. C'mon, seriously!?

Don't know anyone who was upset about the ability to dock in low-sec, in-fact personally I thought it was a fantastic idea; but for the love of all that it is good it MUST be extended everywhere not just the Warzone. If we want to go to enemy High-Sec most of us have Neutral alts anyway, all this would prevent is the frankly kittenbag move of enemy corporations moving in to High-Sec then using Neutral Logi. Sure some of the changes will kurb that a little bit, but either make the Navy a force to truely be feared or disable High-Sec docking!!

Tags should be removed as an item you pick up, instead change them to "Commendations" they can fill a similar role but are provided automatically to the Player. You can then convert them in batches of 10, 50, 100, 250 Commendation Tokens (like AUR) with the exchange rate based on how much a given corporation likes you.

This still allows you to sell them, but these would be provided exclusively for Kills. The number provided would increase, or atleast increase your chance of a Grade I, II, III based on if it is a Standard NPC, Commander NPC or Player.

LP should still be earnt via Complex / Missions, but I think a small "reward" should also be provided.
Rookie = 1,000 LP + 10,000 ISK [1-5]
Minor = 2,000 LP + 50,000 ISK [5-10]
Medium = 5,000 LP + 150,000 ISK [10-20]
Major = 10,000 LP + 250,000 ISK [20-40]
Unrestricted = 25,000 LP + 1,000,000 ISK [40+]

This should be based against number of people per complex as shown in the brackets for the equal share they receive under that number.
I would also say that EVERYTHING in the LP Store should require "Commendations" / Tags... even if it's a Token amount you can gain in a complex worth of kills, but this would encourage Combat. Especially if High-Grade were awarded frequently from other players.

This is not the way its working on Tranquility. Neither the Patch Notes or the Dev description are reflected in actual game atm. The icon by the contested status bar shows in every system (3000 + 0.0% = 3000) no matter how many temperate Planets in system.

In addition the pre-patch vp for defending 'original sov" systems is actualy LESS than before this patch while atacking side remains the same.....

for example in original Gallente system of Aldranette with 2 Temperate planets, defensive plexs completed take .6 % off the contested status bar... Offensive plexs done add .7% onto Contested status bar.

Pre - Patch defensive plexs took .8-.9 off of the contested bar.