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irishFour
Almost Dangerous
#1 - 2012-10-14 23:19:31 UTC
Let me set the scene, Ive got 5 toons/alts doing PI right now and material is collecting. In about 2 weeks I will have 4 more to add to the mix. So, how do I deal with all that P1 material.

Id like to know what the process is for other people to efficiently produce p4 items. Im thinking of having one toon focus on p2-p4 production and have 3 p1-2 planets, 2 p2-p3 planets, and one planet dedicated to making several different types of P4.

Right now I have one planet p1-p4, and its only running 39% efficient, over the course of 1 week i was only able to make 62 p4 items. Which simply isnt good enough.

Critical details,
I live in null
I can haul 130km3 once a night no problem

Pictures would be awesome, strategies would be awesome.

thanks

I like to have my cake and eat it too
Vanyr Andrard
VacuumTube
#2 - 2012-10-15 00:10:30 UTC
Your numbers sound a little off.

There are 3 types of P4 products, simple, medium, complex.

The easy ones have a ratio of 1 P4 factory: 4 P3 factories: 16 P2 factories: 32 P1 factories.
The medium ones have a ratio of 1 P4 factory: 6 P3 factories: 24 P2 factories: 48 P1 factories.
The Hard ones have a ratio of 1 P4 factory: 6 P3 factories: 36 P2 factories: 72 P1 factories.

For argument's sake, let's assume you want to make 1 easy p4, one medium p4, 1 hard p4. This means you need 3 high-tech factories, 16 aif making p3, 76 aif making p2, and 152 p1 factories or more, but the p1 factories are on your extraction planets so we won't consider those. The 3 p4 and 16 p3 factories can fit on one planet, the 76 p2 factories would take 4 planets. Or, you could have 2 planets that were solely p1-p2, and then 3 planets each with a p4 factory that took a mix of p1 and p2 inputs.

I can fit between 18-22 factories on one planet, depending on size of planet and how many launchpads/storage facilities I want...with CCU4. Basically, as you can see, you count up however many planets you want to devote to factories, then see how many p4's you can produce as above, after figuring out which kinds of p4's you're making, easy/med/hard.
irishFour
Almost Dangerous
#3 - 2012-10-15 02:04:06 UTC
Vanyr Andrard wrote:
Your numbers sound a little off.

There are 3 types of P4 products, simple, medium, complex.

The easy ones have a ratio of 1 P4 factory: 4 P3 factories: 16 P2 factories: 32 P1 factories.
The medium ones have a ratio of 1 P4 factory: 6 P3 factories: 24 P2 factories: 48 P1 factories.
The Hard ones have a ratio of 1 P4 factory: 6 P3 factories: 36 P2 factories: 72 P1 factories.

For argument's sake, let's assume you want to make 1 easy p4, one medium p4, 1 hard p4. This means you need 3 high-tech factories, 16 aif making p3, 76 aif making p2, and 152 p1 factories or more, but the p1 factories are on your extraction planets so we won't consider those. The 3 p4 and 16 p3 factories can fit on one planet, the 76 p2 factories would take 4 planets. Or, you could have 2 planets that were solely p1-p2, and then 3 planets each with a p4 factory that took a mix of p1 and p2 inputs.

I can fit between 18-22 factories on one planet, depending on size of planet and how many launchpads/storage facilities I want...with CCU4. Basically, as you can see, you count up however many planets you want to devote to factories, then see how many p4's you can produce as above, after figuring out which kinds of p4's you're making, easy/med/hard.



I making wetware mainframes. I'm going to assume thats one of the harder ones, cause the visual layout found here
http://www.hst-soft.de/korai/Eve_PI_Diagrams_v1_4.pdf
is much more complex then some of the others.

My numbers are off cause its not efficient, I dont think its possible to have an efficient p1-p4 planet. My wetware mainfram graph tells me I need 28 facilities in order for it not only to be fed, but to be fed continuously. The toon that will be running the factory planets will only be on the smallest barren i can find (2050km) to maximize powergrid and has ccu5 already. Yet, I dont think its possible to EFFICIENTLY run an all inclusive planet.

Can you list which P4's are easy, medium, and hard.
thanks

I like to have my cake and eat it too
Vanyr Andrard
VacuumTube
#4 - 2012-10-15 02:44:21 UTC
easy: sterile conduits, nanofactory, organic mortar applicators,

medium: broadcast nodes, self-harmonizing power cores, recursive computing modules,

hard: wetware mainframes, integrity response drones

you can run a continuous p4 planet that goes p1->p4, but only for the easy p4's.
Denal Umbra
Coffee Hub
#5 - 2012-10-15 05:01:37 UTC
Vanyr more or less nailed it.

P1->P4 planets are more of a high-sec setup where you are trying to avoid as much of the tax as possible but might require you to stagger the factories to switch out the schematics once in a while. But if you are in null/wh space where you have low or non-existent tax, then having specialized planets is much more efficient.
Kejii Maeda
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-10-15 19:35:06 UTC
Doing all the P1 (I call it P0) manufacturing on the planet you are harvesting it from would solve your problem. Then you only need P2-P4 on a factory planet.

Plus hauling would be easier cause if I remember correctly there is some compression when going from P1-P2 items. I may be wrong though.
Vanyr Andrard
VacuumTube
#7 - 2012-10-15 23:06:44 UTC
Kejii Maeda wrote:
Doing all the P1 (I call it P0) manufacturing on the planet you are harvesting it from would solve your problem. Then you only need P2-P4 on a factory planet.

Plus hauling would be easier cause if I remember correctly there is some compression when going from P1-P2 items. I may be wrong though.


What? If she makes p1 on the extracting planet, which she's ALREADY DOING, then she would only have to go from p2-p4 on the factory planet??? How does the p1 get turned into p2, unicorn synchronized swimming?
irishFour
Almost Dangerous
#8 - 2012-10-16 00:30:25 UTC
Vanyr Andrard wrote:
Kejii Maeda wrote:
Doing all the P1 (I call it P0) manufacturing on the planet you are harvesting it from would solve your problem. Then you only need P2-P4 on a factory planet.

Plus hauling would be easier cause if I remember correctly there is some compression when going from P1-P2 items. I may be wrong though.


What? If she makes p1 on the extracting planet, which she's ALREADY DOING, then she would only have to go from p2-p4 on the factory planet??? How does the p1 get turned into p2, unicorn synchronized swimming?




Unicorns come in handy.
Allow me to illustrate, all my planets also process p0 into p1. The p1-p4 planet has p2,p3,p4 factories on it.
After some drawings, printing of some schematic maps, doing some quick math, and heading from there. What I've discovered...........

to run a 100% efficient complex p4 (harder, the ones noted above), i will need 36 p2 factories feeding 6 p3 factories and then exporting them to a final p4 factory. so on one toon, 5 planets, I will be able to process 48 p4s a day once i get this built, organized, and allow the first day of p3 surplus build up.
This set up will require 4 planets focused on feeding the p3s, each p3 will require 6 p2 factories to keep it fed continuously.

All in all, its a hot mess, and I need to train the pi skill that gives me additional planets to 5 so i can get a sixth planet. I will Post some pictures soon.

I like to have my cake and eat it too
Larry Wickes
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#9 - 2012-10-16 16:40:09 UTC
I'm not sure why you want to produce what you want to produce.

Just a thought though: Despite the prices your high end P4 products may sell; It may be more profitable to produce the easier ones.

I.E 100% efficiency is capable of the easier P4's. On a 100% efficiency planet you can produce one P4 per hour once it's running and over six planets that's 144 P4 per day!

Although it's a cheaper product you may make more isk if you can sell them.