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Just make sure there's indicator everywhere when someone has killrights on you and it is not bugged i.e. invisible

On other hand I feel this crimewatch boohoo is just another reason to stay out of lolsec which is sad.

I haven't had the chance to read the entire thread, but have gone through and read the DEV posts. One thing I haven't seen you guys respond to is the idea to give the target of a kill right being activated a short warning before LAWLGANKED.

Specifically, I'm thinking a timer that shows up telling them they have X seconds until they go suspect because a kill right was activated against them. Even if it was short, say 10-30 seconds, it at least a) informs them they're going suspect because of a kill right being activated, not some magic wonder bug, and b) it gives the target a fighting chance before the entire system opens up on them.

Personally, I'd rather see buying kill rights open up a LE between the buyer and the target, and to allow everyone to buy the kill rights simultaneously. That way, if you want to be a badass that hunts down mean people with kill rights, you have to actually stand your ground rather than call in the whole world (ie Jita).

Any dev thoughts on this?

Edit: removed old post.

The changes seem pretty good.

I don't think it's going to be much of a problem. Having a bounty placed on your head doesn't invalidate Yulai Rules of Engagement, CONCORD will still step in. If anyone is flashy, it's his own fault. As a matter of fact, I have the feeling that a lot of <-5.0 are going to grind sec status back.

Goons, who have hurt egos, are online sociopaths and find solace in the herd for their individual stupidity and lack of common decency, have still business to attend, they won't be able to gank more than they already do. There will be lolrandum Goon Death Squads (probably named after South American ones, because, it's so funny and random to make references to RL monstrosity! XDDD), but their outsourcing hunting people won't magically be tenfold more efficient due to bounty hunting becoming a valid profession. Only flashing criminals will be actively hunted down by the new bounty hunters.

It's however very much probable that highsec corps will have huge bounties put on them by Goons or armchair tough guys. Guess what, they'll still haul high-value cargo with alts, and be wary when doing mining ops or PvE, as their are now, having entities hunting them down flagged as terrible standings.
However, ethics-deprived bounty hunters may join the fray, at the expense of their sec status and their ships. It's fairly safe to say that the very vast majority of people who haven't indulged in suicide ganking up till now, won't do so once the expansion rolls in.

You may think the new system is going to be a problem for high sec dwellers, but non-criminals character need not fear much, since they'll still be on the right side of the law. You can do your PvE in t1 hulls, they're unexpensive and will offer little bounty, not enough for bounty hunters disregarding sec status to recoup their losses.


Also consider this: entities with huge bounties on their head may hire bodyguards, and there's no doubt quite a few characters will just act as so, without even wanting to be paid. If some forum poster whom I enjoy and agree with gets a few billion on his head just because he pissed off jerks, you can be sure I'll have a lot more fun protecting him than I ever had doing pointless PvP or isk grinding. It'll finally instill some sense of duty in New Eden.


I also fear that such a long-waited for and baffling change in EvE means the world is really coming to an end!

If buying the kill rights just grants a limited engagement between the buyer and the target, then I'm perfectly fine with no warning. My problem is that it's a troll button to make people go suspect to all of eve. The scale of that is far greater than a gank, especially since the person paying for the kill right doesn't even have to get involved.

The trollololol suspect button (which most people will probably set to 0 ISK, just to **** the guy that shot them) is frankly over the top, especially when taken in the context that CCP intends for it to help foster a bounty hunter career path. All this does is makes kill-rights a thing that must be used with an alt when you're in a rookie ship, since it leaves you open to getting gang-banged by an entire system. The goal should be to make them powerful enough that they have an impact, but not so powerful that bad-people will just use loopholes to avoid the hassle. The implementation in which buying kill-rights sets the target suspect is, without question, in the latter category.

If you actually want bad people to worry about kill-rights, you make them start LEs, and be purchasable by multiple people simultaneously. That way, they're powerful enough that people have to keep an eye out for random folks suddenly ganking them via the LE, but they're not so OP that you have no choice but to kill yourself with an alt (much like how the current bounty system encourages people to pod themselves to gain the reward).

1) Look up my killboard sometime, I shoot people all over eve and pretty much only gank people when paid.

2) The LE system (in which multiple people can simultaneously purchase the kill-right) allows for 5-6 guys catching the target unprepared without making the system so powerful that people will just buy it/pop themselves with an alt.

That may be the case, but I wager the vast majority of people are going to list them for 0 ISK to try to screw over the target of the KR (much like how most of the ally offers immediately after the inferno patch were for 0 ISK).

so your real problem is that you are going to die for free?

oh and why do they have KRs on you anyway? could it be that you "screwed them over"? as you put it

You do get a warning, flashy red on overview, the same one ANY ONE gets when all of EVE can gank you.

Subset?

You'll have to do better,.....cupcake.

That's actually a very good point. I was concerned about kill rights myself, partly because it's unclear to me how it works. But I was thinking more on the side of how they get added in the first place. Can they always buy that? are there things i have to do first? It was not entirely clear to me how that all works yet, and it could be really bad.

But you pointed out a more specific scenario which is quite scary all in itself. Let me illustrate how that could play out.

Hypothetical Scenario
Kill rights granted in some random now forgotten about encounter. An alt of your victim is now following you around in a covert just kind of watching you to see where you go, using locator agents occasionally when he loses you. He waits patiently until you come to a nice hub system (Jita, Dodixie, Hex, etc.) and go to dock. He now activates your kill rights and just to be sure, scrambles you real quick. You are now in PvP, you can't dock, you can't warp and you are now surrounded by 50+ random players who's screens just lit up with a juicy red target market.

Have a nice day.

She has a point. That's worlds apart from a suicide gank. That's just HARSH.