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What was CCP's incentive for the gun scaling change?
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Tornii
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-10-08 10:00:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Tornii
I recently noticed that turrets have had their size scaling changed (probably in the new turret animation/model expansion). For example, autocannons on my 2007 Rifter were this big, whereas the autocannons on my current wolf are much smaller. They've been resized to the point when they're barely visible.

I, for one, think the bigger turret models made much better impression, as well as making the ships look more menacing.
baltec1
Bat Country
The Initiative.
#2 - 2012-10-08 10:13:34 UTC
The rifter hull got fatter.
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#3 - 2012-10-08 11:09:01 UTC
If only the mining lasers would scale too...

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Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#4 - 2012-10-08 11:16:54 UTC

To stop all the ships looking like they were drawn by anime artists I guess?

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-10-08 11:19:40 UTC
I still think titans should be at least twice the size they are now.
Maybe if I say it enough times CCP might think it's a good idea.
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#6 - 2012-10-08 11:21:45 UTC
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:

To stop all the ships looking like they were drawn by anime artists I guess?


It´s not just a question of aesthetics (guns look so ridiculous small on bigger ships), but small guns (of any size) make it more difficult to identify them on enemy ships.

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Riyal
invidious Squid
#7 - 2012-10-08 12:21:43 UTC
Tornii wrote:
I recently noticed that turrets have had their size scaling changed (probably in the new turret animation/model expansion). For example, autocannons on my 2007 Rifter were this big, whereas the autocannons on my current wolf are much smaller. They've been resized to the point when they're barely visible.

I, for one, think the bigger turret models made much better impression, as well as making the ships look more menacing.


The rifter was made bigger, the turrets are the same size, dunno why.

In hindsight my post should have had more psssshhhh
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#8 - 2012-10-08 12:26:16 UTC
It's part of the cutbacks due to the economy.

Pixels aren't cheap ya know.

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The VC's
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-10-08 12:57:29 UTC
The Rifter hull was enlarged to fix some clipping issues with the turret models, I believe.

I never noticed any clipping before, or if I did, I didn't care.



Please CCP, make the Rifter it's old size again. It looks stupid now.


Pretty please.
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-10-08 13:08:04 UTC
Honestly, the scaling of the guns is completely wrong to begin with. They need to be redone entirely or the names changed so that an 800mm autocannon actually represents something that would be 800mm in size. Either way...they looked absolutely idiotic with how big they were before. I like them much better now. Now you have a ship with guns instead of guns with a ship.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#11 - 2012-10-08 13:08:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Frankly, after V3ing is complete I'd like to see a complete work over done on all the different sizes of both ships and visible modules. While they are at it, we could use a few more modules actually be visible (Nos, Neuts, remote modules of various flavors, any other high slot items).

It would have been nice to have a few special hard points on the ships for other modules as well (Webs, Scrams) but I understand that would involve a LOT of reworking of the hull models.

I know a lot of work will be scheduled after V3 on lighting effects, new paint jobs, etc. but this is a basic underlying annoyance that might be more easily dealt with at the same time.

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Doddy
Excidium.
#12 - 2012-10-08 13:52:45 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I still think titans should be at least twice the size they are now.
Maybe if I say it enough times CCP might think it's a good idea.
May have to covertly switch their brownies at a luncheon with a "hashed out" version.


Have you ever actually looked at a titam in perspective view? They are trully enormous.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-10-08 13:54:25 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I still think titans should be at least twice the size they are now.
Maybe if I say it enough times CCP might think it's a good idea.
May have to covertly switch their brownies at a luncheon with a "hashed out" version.


Titans' sizes are fine - any larger and they'd be unwieldy behemoths that bump everything in sight. Supercarriers need to be scaled up, however.

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madmen of the skies
#14 - 2012-10-08 13:54:48 UTC
CCP did not make the rifter bigger, CCP made the universe smaller. Rifter is a constant.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#15 - 2012-10-08 16:57:16 UTC
Andski wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I still think titans should be at least twice the size they are now.
Maybe if I say it enough times CCP might think it's a good idea.
May have to covertly switch their brownies at a luncheon with a "hashed out" version.


Titans' sizes are fine - any larger and they'd be unwieldy behemoths that bump everything in sight. Supercarriers need to be scaled up, however.


Yep, and regular Cap ships as well... along with several battleships.

The distances we work with in EVE are not kind to achieving a proper sense of scale as well. This is just one more subtle justification towards incorporating a formation system into EVE.

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Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#16 - 2012-10-08 17:20:31 UTC
You might want to consider the ships are more or less 80 meters long, and those guns would have been quite massive with that in consideration. Also, they made the ship look puny by comparison. I like the new change.
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Alexa Coates
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-10-08 17:25:16 UTC
because giant guns looked ******* stupid.

That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.
Jace Errata
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-10-08 17:33:58 UTC
You have to remember that a battleship is roughly a kilometre long. Even an 800mm gun is going to look pretty small against that.

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The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-10-08 17:35:32 UTC
Jace Errata wrote:
You have to remember that a battleship is roughly a kilometre long. Even an 800mm gun is going to look pretty small against that.

Then change the name. If it isn't actually 800mm but more like 3500mm...then so be it.

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GoonWaffe
#20 - 2012-10-08 17:38:26 UTC
Andski wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I still think titans should be at least twice the size they are now.
Maybe if I say it enough times CCP might think it's a good idea.
May have to covertly switch their brownies at a luncheon with a "hashed out" version.


Titans' sizes are fine - any larger and they'd be unwieldy behemoths that bump everything in sight. Supercarriers need to be scaled up, however.

I was honestly surprised to realize SCs are not that much larger than normal carriers, compared to the other "supercapital" class, the Titan which is massive.

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