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Linus Ohmiras

Deep Core Mining Inc.

Caldari State

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#1 - 2012-10-07 21:51:10 UTC

How serious is pvp in eve? Would I be expected to pvp for hours every day, or can I just join a fleet if there happens to be one and I have the time? (recovering from an abusive relationship with WoW)

In terms of contributing to a fleet, what's the easiest job? BC with pure dps?

What are the most powerful/respected mercenary corps? ..so I know what to aspire to join.
Do they generally attract nice or nasty people? I've read about the MC incident, not sure what to make of it.

Casirio

Aliastra

Gallente Federation

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#2 - 2012-10-07 21:54:58 UTC

Linus Ohmiras wrote:

How serious is pvp in Eve? - its srs.. srsly.
Would I be expected to pvp for horus every day? - all relative to what corp/alliance you join. If you thats what you want to do, yes. or if you want to pvp a little here and there, there are groups for that too.
Contributing to a fleet? - As for as skillpoints go fast tackle is probably the easiest to get into and used by a lot. DPS BC's are very common in fleets as well.
Mercs? - Join the "merc contracts" channel in game, look at the MOTD. Those are the most respectable mercs.

Calairis

The Scope

Gallente Federation

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#3 - 2012-10-07 22:06:51 UTC

I'm not the most knowledgable, but I'll throw in.

Linus Ohmiras wrote:

How serious is pvp in eve? Would I be expected to pvp for hours every day, or can I just join a fleet if there happens to be one and I have the time?

All PvP is not created equal, depending on what you mean by 'serious'. Fleet is different from gang is different from solo. Since you seem focused on fleet, you'll find its less serious so long as you know your role. The serious part comes from your level of activity, i.e. showing up.

Linus Ohmiras wrote:

In terms of contributing to a fleet, what's the easiest job? BC with pure dps?

Probably.

Linus Ohmiras wrote:

What are the most powerful/respected mercenary corps? ..so I know what to aspire to join.
Do they generally attract nice or nasty people? I've read about the MC incident, not sure what to make of it.

Noir Academy is probably the most well known corp to teach merc tactics. If you make the cut based on their metrics, you can join Noir. IIRC their CEO is on the CSM.

Large corps are probably much like the population of EVE as a whole: angels and assholes in equal measure.

ShahFluffers

Ice Fire Warriors

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#4 - 2012-10-07 22:23:28 UTC | Edited by: ShahFluffers

Linus Ohmiras wrote:

Depends on who you fly with and where.

Some groups, like large Null-sec alliances, do have CTA (Call to Arms) Ops where you are required to show up in a "cookie-cutter" ship fit.

There are some other groups, like in Faction Warfare, where people generally log on and form up with other people who are also online during that general time... and you can leave anytime you wish.

Linus Ohmiras wrote:

In terms of contributing to a fleet, what's the easiest job? BC with pure dps?

Well... that is certainly the easiest... but it's also one of the more expensive ways to support a fleet (especially small ones).

Start out using a frigate to run down other ships and "pin them" so friends/allies can move in and blow them out of the water. Yes... chances of survival won't be very high when you start doing this... but that's the general idea. Frigate survival is more dependent on player skill than character skill.
The techniques you learn in keeping your frigate alive can then be carried over into bigger and bigger ships as your skills develop.
Plus... it's cheaper to learn these things in a million ISK frigate than a 60+ million ISK battlecruiser.

Linus Ohmiras wrote:

What are the most powerful/respected mercenary corps? ..so I know what to aspire to join.
Do they generally attract nice or nasty people? I've read about the MC incident, not sure what to make of it.

MC incident? Not sure what you are referring to.

As far as most "powerful"... it's relative. For example... the alliance Pandemic Legion is widely seen as the merc alliance with the most "firepower." In open combat, they are both feared and respected due to the large amount of "heavy equipment" they can bring to bear.
However, during their stay in pirate infested low-sec they found that their "heavy equipment" was more of a liability than a strength. None of the "locals" could stand up to them directly... but, using skirmish tactics they picked at, harassed, and generally "moved around" Pandemic Legion. Eventually PL moved out of the area.

So honestly... pick the warfare method you prefer and find a group that specializes in it. And keep in mind that "best" is never the way to go if you just want to have fun.
Hell... my alliance is TERRIBLE at PvP (at least WE think so... I think... I need another beer)... but we all have FUN being "terrible."

How did you Veterans start?

J'Poll

School of Applied Knowledge

Caldari State

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#5 - 2012-10-07 22:31:30 UTC

Linus Ohmiras wrote:

Well...

How serious is PvP in EVE?

Different answers here.

It's serious as in when you loose your ship it's actual lost, no graveyard to get it back etc. You have to buy a new one and fit it again. So officer fit a rifter and loose it and it becomes serious, as you lost a shitload of ISK. *Hence the rule, only fly what you can afford to loose*

Same with the type of PvP:

You have solo, through small and large gangs, up to fleets and blobs. Small gangs and solo are usually more serious then fleet and blob warfare, in the latter you likely are just another +1 to the fleet (given you fly meat DPS ships, not logi or HIC or something).

Also the purpose of PvP matter.

There is SOV warfare, this can be CTAs that go on for hours. You can be fighting almost contantly in a big war, day in day out. But then on the other side there is RvB (Red vs Blue), 2 alliance (Red and Blue, obvious) that are at war with each other (means they can fight in high-sec), and have constant small ship fights (under certain rules). RvB is PvP for fun (not saying other PvP isn't fun, but that is usually more with an actual meaning).

So, yes PvP in EVE can be very serious, it can take up hours. Yet it's also possible to have short but fun fights.

The big point in this is, what do you want and which corporation/alliance are you in.

What's the easiest job

3 answers here:

In SP: Hero tackle - requires a frigate, a warp disruptor/warp scrambler, propulsion module and lots and lots of guts. Involves being killed quite a lot so buy spare ships.

In role: DPS grunt, usually in BC. Just shoot what FC tells you to shoot, no need to think a lot, just listen and understand.

In activity: Cloaky scout, sit in system (or be +1 while on the move) and report intel, worst case, nothing comes through and you fall asleep.

No idea about merc corps.

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club


Linus Ohmiras Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State Likes received: 4	#6 - 2012-10-07 23:13:12 UTC Thanks, sounds good!

Vilnius Zar

SDC Multi Ten

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#7 - 2012-10-08 08:13:19 UTC

"Serious" can be explained in different ways (already hinted at in earlier replies). Timewise it's probably SOV warfare in 0.0 (being part of a big alliance that actively does that sort of stuff or is forced to). Because it's not just your ship you might lose, the alliance might lose all its assets and even their home and as such it's all hands on deck for hours on end and at the most inopportune hours. Less time consuming PVP would be piracy, roaming or wardecs (if you do them right), because there's nothing major at stake you can do it whenever you want.

Then there's the "lets put in effort to do it RIGHT" kind of serious, where training, testing, having a plan and being prepared is used to affect the outcome. Note that the vast majority of players simply don't do this because they're too dumb or too lazy and state that they don't take the game that serious, which should be explained as "yeah, I meant that!". Generally, if you want to play serious like that you'll have to avoid the larger entities because big groups means more idiots and more idiots means you have to adapt your strategy to idiot level. Smaller groups tend to have a higher standard in this regard.

Both types of playing EVE in Serious mode happen at the same time in varying amounts and it's up to you figure out which balance of "serious" you're looking for and finding the right type of PVP for it, EVE provides all variants and combos (if you put in the active effort to find it).

Lyric Lahnder

Deep Core Mining Inc.

Caldari State

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#8 - 2012-10-08 16:31:52 UTC

Linus Ohmiras wrote:

Thanks, sounds good!

Some one already mentioned the academy so props to you!

In null sec alliances tend to spam cta's all the time meaning they will always want you to fight for them.

Honestly it fills up your mail box and gets annoying. Part of the reason Im a merc.

Noir. and Noir Academy are recruiting apply at www.noirmercs.com I Noir Academy: 60 days old must be able to fly at least one tech II frigate. I Noir. Recruits: 4:1 k/d ratio and can fly tech II cruisers.

OT Smithers

Buccaneer's Den

Dock Workers

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#9 - 2012-10-08 21:33:27 UTC

Linus Ohmiras wrote:

All of the above. PvP in Eve is the most serious PvP you will find in any game anywhere. No one else is even close. People in Eve PvP in ships that are sometimes worth hundreds of dollars in real money. However, with that said, most good PvP pilots are also pretty relaxed about losing.

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In terms of contributing to a fleet, what's the easiest job? BC with pure dps?

BC's are fine and always welcome. ANYTHING is welcome for the most part. Your attitude and willingness to learn is what matters. If you want to PvP just do it. Join a pirate corp or RvB, talk to them and tell them your situation. Don't look for excuses to delay, your skills will never be finished, you will never have enough money, just do it.

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What are the most powerful/respected mercenary corps? ..so I know what to aspire to join.

There are hundreds or even thousands of great corps. For small gang Pirate stuff the best right now is the Tuskers. But there are many that are, in practice, every bit as good. Just focus on your own progress, learn from everyone, and don't worry about it. People switchs corps all the time, it means nothing.

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Do they generally attract nice or nasty people? I've read about the MC incident, not sure what to make of it.

Most Eve players are mature adults. Most are like brothers when they are your corp mates, and raving psychos to everyone else. From my experience, the majority are relatively honorable (and almost universally decent) people. They don't rip off their corps, they don't scam their friends, they won't screw you over or rip you off. If they borrow a hundred mil, they will pay you back. If they agree to a 1v1 or ransom they will honor it. It is precisely because of the reputation that the game has, that many players seek to stand out by being the opposite -- particularly pirates. If a pirate makes a deal with you, or even offers it, you can generally take it to the bank that it's legit. Pirates might be the most trustworthy guys in the game, and if one does rip you off contact their corp leader and the other pirates in the area -- odds are good that you will not only recieve satisfaction or your money back or whatever, but that the clown who broke his word is going to pay and pay hard.

It's Eve, so there are exceptions to every rule obviously.

Cameron Zero

Sebiestor Tribe

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#10 - 2012-10-08 22:38:28 UTC

J'Poll wrote:

But then on the other side there is RvB (Red vs Blue), 2 alliance (Red and Blue, obvious) that are at war with each other (means they can fight in high-sec), and have constant small ship fights (under certain rules). RvB is PvP for fun (not saying other PvP isn't fun, but that is usually more with an actual meaning).

+1 for Red vs Blue

PVP can be as serious as you want it to be. ;)

"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. …"

SmilingVagrant

Doomheim

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#11 - 2012-10-08 22:46:05 UTC

Linus Ohmiras wrote:

This depends on alliance/corp. I'm not required to do any PVP, though I do choose to on the rare occasion I'm able.

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In terms of contributing to a fleet, what's the easiest job? BC with pure dps?

Whatever your corp doctrine is: The main DPS output ship. Literally every other job requires some initiative on your part and some knowhow of eve functions.

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What are the most powerful/respected mercenary corps? ..so I know what to aspire to join.
Do they generally attract nice or nasty people? I've read about the MC incident, not sure what to make of it.

As far as I know the only big name merc corp left is NOIR. PL is back to playing Sov games with TEST.

Speaking as a member of one of the big bloc's PL is the only merc outfit that actually concerned me if they were operating in the region due to their ability to leverage high level strategic assets.

There are no "Nice" outfits in Nullsec PVP. I can't speak for high or lowsec.