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Orehold Rigs!!!
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Zeran Kariashi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2012-10-07 16:42:28 UTC
While I admit I was a little annoyed to literally just finish getting my training and buying a hulk when the new barge changes were announced, I really don't mind. The Mack is an excellent ship now, and by CCP's own admission was changed to be the solo miner's ship of choice, while the Hulk is now firmly relegated to fleet ops (or hauler support), and the Mack's a little bit cheaper ISK-wise which is great for a solo miner anyway. The only one they missed the mark on was the Skiff/Procurer which is pretty much useless due to being overall inferior in yield, capacity, and only slightly better tank then a Mack, which makes it truly useless. It needs something more to make it worthwhile and help define it's role a bit better (though the 60% lower price tag is interesting....you could buy 2 skiff/procurers for every mack/retriever so if you're low/null sec mining, replacing your losses wouldn't hurt nearly as much).

If your orca yield bothers you, then add 1 more guy to fleet to run a hauler to empty the Orca periodically without having to move. A max cargo iteron V can hold about as much cargo as a Mack's ore bay which is a little over half of an orca's ore bay, so just run your hauler to a station every few cycles, no biggy. Depending on the number of hulks, the poor guy will end up having to jump between orca and station constantly just to keep up.

The Orca is there more for it's fleet boosts, it's storage is just a nice little addition, unless you're only running 2 hulks in which case it's fairly sufficient.
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#42 - 2012-10-07 17:18:57 UTC
I don't even know where to start. The ignorance the OPer displays through his posts is frankly distracting. Literally every sentence he types is wrong on some level, and I am really not about to type a small paragraph for every sentence he writes.

Instead, I can completely destroy his whole argument with one point.

If you fit a Hulk for max cargo, then its yield is worse than the new Mack fitted for max yield, and the new Mack still has a greater total ore capacity. Buy a Mack and stop whining. You got more hold space and more yield.

What exactly are you whining about?

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
ugh zug
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2012-10-07 18:46:19 UTC
no

Want me to shut up? Remove content from my post,1B. Remove my content from a thread I have started 2B.
Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2012-10-07 21:03:34 UTC
The old hulk only had 2 lows, to get a good cargohold, you needed to fill those with cargohold expanders.
The New mack has an extra low, and more fitting, making triple MLUs easy to fit
It easily outmines the old cargo Hulk, and has a larger cargohold.
The Hulk's capacity has been nerfed a bit, but if its a combination of yield and capacity you want, its the mack now, not the hulk... get over it
RNye
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2012-10-08 22:17:21 UTC
Perhaps a credit on the rigs we paid for storage. My Hulk could haul 14 m3 and now only 8.5. I understand the reasoning but a lot of money was spent buying/purchasing equipment and rigs which are now useless. It sure took me by surprise.
Jin alPatar
Entertainment 7wenty
The Burning Contingent Alliance
#46 - 2012-10-08 23:59:54 UTC
RNye wrote:
Perhaps a credit on the rigs we paid for storage. My Hulk could haul 14 m3 and now only 8.5. I understand the reasoning but a lot of money was spent buying/purchasing equipment and rigs which are now useless. It sure took me by surprise.


If you expect a credit on something you bought you should also expect to pay a fee for anything that increased in value due to the changes (retrievers doubled in price).

How about you add up what you need to pay, and see what the difference from the rigs is.

(I'm trying to say it's a fluid economy and you need to adapt to changes)
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#47 - 2012-10-09 01:49:35 UTC
multi box with orca. problem solved. Don't want to multi box? then settle for less yeild.

or use ur hulk but go back between stations more, or can mine.

TL:DR
"if u want to mine faster and make more money u better get used to the idea of either 1) working harder or 2) taking on risk"

something i said in another thread like this

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Tarn Kugisa
Kugisa Dynamics
#48 - 2012-10-09 02:16:42 UTC
Make a new Rig Group Specifically for mining rigs. Make their downside reduced shield resistances

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