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Soo... CCP... When are you going to nerf Gurista's Jamming?

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m3talc0re X
The Motley Crew of Disorder
The Gorram Shiney Alliance
#1 - 2012-10-06 00:05:50 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Because it's too op right now. Doing a mission and getting perma-jammed by 4 battleships is bull...
Cameron Cahill
Deaths Consortium
The Initiative.
#2 - 2012-10-06 10:17:56 UTC
Learn to fit ECCM?
Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-10-06 11:54:56 UTC
Learn to 51 day alt + dualbox and have an Ibis fit with Remote ECCM?

Actually, I agree with you, it is the most annoying form of Ewar, although a crapload of Serp sensor damps are nearly as bad.

TPs are not a big deal, tracking disruptors don't hurt my nightmare with tachs too much, but the ECM... ughh...

Unfortunately, they won't be nerfing them... I was dualboxing, and haveing my tank ship pull the ECM aggro (along with other aggro), while my gank ship fired away happily.
I heard the AI will be getting "smarter" and will switch targets more... meaning dualboxing is harder, and a tank + gank setup is more likely to get the gank ship jammed. (it also makes it more likely an R-ECCMing ibis is gonna get blown to smithereens).
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#4 - 2012-10-06 13:17:47 UTC
m3talc0re X wrote:
Because it's too op right now. Doing a mission and getting perma-jammed by 4 battleships is bull...

I approve nerf ECM

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude

Griffin Omanid
Knights of the Zodiac
#5 - 2012-10-06 15:28:24 UTC
I wouldn´t say the NPC ECM is the problem, it got more or less the same problems like Player ECM.

In my opinion the problem is more once you got jammed you need to relog all of your targets once you got lucky and all enemies miss in the jamming roulette, often this is enough time to relog 7 target and then again got jammed.
Doddy
Excidium.
#6 - 2012-10-06 17:07:42 UTC
Its less debilitating than tds (vs turrets) or neuts tbh, though it does seem more prevalent.
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-10-06 23:30:28 UTC
use sensor strenght implants, eccm, sensor backup arrays.....thank me later.


While a pita this is countered relatively easily. TBH jams are all ccp has to not make guris ta man just pay me rats and lets jsut skip the mission/ratting part. Al teast fot winmatar and caldari. these are what I call ATM (as in cash machines lol) missions, accept mission, stomp em, get paid.

My tengu pilot uses all the above, might get 1 jam in a GE full run with bonus room. Put same set up on a golem, less jam proof but still works decent actually.

Will it hurt your pve gank or tank setup fit wise with 1 eccm and 1 sba....yes. But if you are jammed you have 0 gank, not shooting crap anyway. And if jammed that more free shots on your tank. Pick your poisons here.


Question is should you have to buy sensor implants? Thats a player choice. Me I get gurista about 50% of the time in my mission area. So for me the answer was yes. Also made my tengu unprobable in the old days, now jsut hard to find. Vulture finds me, man take the loot you earned it and you need to pay off them virtues I imagine as well lol.

Not in caldari space, see gurista say 1/5 missions....may not be worth it. that bad turn the missions down and if say in angel space and you see them angels lions share of the time, not alot of skin off the nose for GE turn downs imo. But thats me, for pve I know it takes money to make money. I spec for the local rats. Gonna be shooting them for weeks to months on end, I put isk into what gets that done better.
m3talc0re X
The Motley Crew of Disorder
The Gorram Shiney Alliance
#8 - 2012-10-07 15:34:04 UTC
"Learn to fit ECCM" - That's f'ing hilarious as one of my friends bet that'd be the first reply. And just like I told him, that'd be great, if it worked. ECCM does a whole lot of nothing vs Guristas.

Griffin - it's even worse in a marauder.

TD's and neuts can still be shot at and removed from the field. When you've got 4 Guristas battleships jamming you, it's pretty hard to get them off of you.

Also, they don't jam much in GE. Not any times I've ran it. It seems some missions have way more jamming than others. The last pocket of Worlds Collide can be a b**** sometimes, The Assault can be a royal pain in the ass, too. But Dread Pirate Scarlet or whatever... Omg. If you get Guristas in the second to last pocket, good luck. I think it was Pith Exterminators that were doing it when I made this tread. There were 4 of them and they just kept on me, jammed, jammed, jammed. During one cycle, I had all 4 of them actively jamming me. CCP should introduce some NPC ewar rule that prevents perma-jamming. I dunno...
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-10-07 15:40:09 UTC
m3talc0re X wrote:
"Learn to fit ECCM" - That's f'ing hilarious as one of my friends bet that'd be the first reply. And just like I told him, that'd be great, if it worked. ECCM does a whole lot of nothing vs Guristas.


You are so, so wrong.

m3talc0re X wrote:
Griffin - it's even worse in a marauder.

TD's and neuts can still be shot at and removed from the field. When you've got 4 Guristas battleships jamming you, it's pretty hard to get them off of you.


Stop using a Marauder?

m3talc0re X wrote:
Also, they don't jam much in GE. Not any times I've ran it. It seems some missions have way more jamming than others. The last pocket of Worlds Collide can be a b**** sometimes, The Assault can be a royal pain in the ass, too. But Dread Pirate Scarlet or whatever... Omg. If you get Guristas in the second to last pocket, good luck. I think it was Pith Exterminators that were doing it when I made this tread. There were 4 of them and they just kept on me, jammed, jammed, jammed. During one cycle, I had all 4 of them actively jamming me. CCP should introduce some NPC ewar rule that prevents perma-jamming. I dunno...


You seem to be having this problem because you use a Marauder. I know they're great for damage projection, but you have no reason to complain about ECM when you choose to use a ship that is hilariously weak against it.

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Cameron Cahill
Deaths Consortium
The Initiative.
#10 - 2012-10-07 15:41:44 UTC
Have you tried?
You know they fixed it ages ago.
No it will not prevent you from being jammed, it will reduce the chance of you being jammed.