EVE New Citizens Q&A

(This has NOTHING to do with alpha DPS, and has nothing to do with the question about whether or not Grouping/Ungrouping affects DPS.)

Questions:

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We are trying to figure out if ungrouping your weapons and activating them evenly spread out, will more efficiently penetrate an active tank--does it cause their repair cycle to be less efficient?

Grouped/Ungrouped damage will do the same DPS no matter what, the question is whether or not the active repair cycle is less efficient when the damage is being done in a sustained manner, or in volleys.

Is it possible that activating your weapons in this way is causing the target's repair cycle to not efficiently repair the damage being dealt?

Is it the case that there is a period of time where "repairing" is active, and damage done during the actual repair activity is not also included in the damage being repaired?

We have done this test many times, but we have no control case to validate this, but it appears to be an affective way to get through active tanks.


Scenario:

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Amarr Harbinger Battlecruiser Tech II tanked, with Meta IV Heavy Modulated Pulse Lasers with Navy Multifrequency DPS doing level IV Missions in Amarr space confronting Gallente Battleships:

Amarr Harbinger "approaches" battleship, until it stops--to rule out tracking issues, and just blasts away with pulse lasers.

Gallente Active Tanking appears to repair most/all damage done in one repair cycle, when weapons are "grouped".

However, ungrouping weapons appear to allow people to go through their tank more efficiently, perhaps by causing the target's repair cycle to be less efficient--is this a lag exploit?

Method:

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Use an underclassed ship, (Battlecruiser vs. Battleship), vs a better one ...

Activate 1st Laser, wait until it is about 10%-ish into its cycle, then activate second, and wait 10%-ish, and so on until all 7 weapons are activated.

There is a constant stream of damage to target. Target Repair cycles do not appear to repair as much of the damage dealt.

NOTE: Thanks for the Eve Help Channel for helping me to edit and rephrase this question! Over and Over. ;)

ungrouped give the illusion of more dps because the well aimed shots are spread out among them, but the grouped weapons hit all well aimed when they do, so in the end its better at dropping tanks

Grouping them can be better, if you have sufficient volley damage it allows you to "punch through" armour into structure and while the repper might make up for it before the next volley it'll slowly kill the target. If you can't punch through the armour EHP+repping then it makes zero difference. If you have vastly more dps than the repper can handle then it won't matter at all.

the only diffrence is with grouped you get an alpha . and you dont get an alpha ungrouped.

how ever because your dps is spaced out per weapon you can gain a better chance of beating a cycle time on a tanks recharge rate. what i mean is as you constantly dmg the tank dureing a recharge you are effectively depriving that cycle of a full hitpoint rep. it has nothing to do with dps.. but more to do with damage repped per cycle. if they rep less dmg then its better !!! DPS IS NOT the be all and all of eve. doing dmg dureing a cycle is

imagine!!! you are doing damage before a cycle as usual. then a cycle happens to rep x amount of hitpoints but you also hit a few times dureing the cycle because you have your weapons fire spaced out over time. this means surely that the rep amount is significantly less than it would be if he got a clean rep off. so you are effectively depriving your target of a clean heal. it works i do it all the time. but it has nothing to do with alpha or dps, its all about depriving a full rep.

I think it is a question of of how fast your guns are against the repair module, since the 'intent' would be to get below armor into hull as soon as possible.

If your guns fire faster than the repper (say Blasters) then ungrouping them would do nothing, since you are still getting multiple shots in per rep cycle.

If your guns fire slower than the cycle (Artillery) then you'd want to ungroup, so that maybe a shot would get through armor, into the hull, before the repper cycles. Mind you in this scenario the repper will go off and you will have to work back through what armor was repaired with you ungrouped guns.

I really don't think it matters. Unless you are firing against something with a very weak hull?

This is interesting, as (in theory) if one ungroups, say, a bunch of missile launchers and loads them all with different ammunition types then there is the possibility of breaking through a target's defenses faster, provided that the missiles are fired in the correct sequence.

For example, let's say you have four launchers, two with EM missiles and two with Explosive. Timed right, the EM missiles may be just enough to flatten your target's shields the second before the Explosive missiles impact and pulverize their armor... thus each missile type is being used precisely for what it is best at damage and no missiles are being wasted on what they are weak on (read: not hitting armor with EM, or hitting shield with Explosive).

Still, I'm no math wizard, so maybe it really wouldn't make a difference. Might still be worth experimenting with, though.

Unless you're flying a drake, in which case everyone and their dog knows what missiles you're going to use. If the enemy knows your in a drake try using varied missile damage even un-bonused. Chances are the enemy thinks you will use the same damage type as every other drake in the universe :)

The answer is no, you get the exact same DPS.