Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I know a lot of miners have spent large amounts of money puting cargo expanding rigs on there mining ships. We did that to increase the ore holding maximum on our ships. Not to hold mining crystals in the cargo hold.

Cargo expanding rigs are now 50% more useless because the only real thing to use them for now is to expand cargo space on haulers.

I know CCP is trying to make mining ships more role set... but.

Solo mining is still something people do... and having ships with a super large ore hold but mines slow.. is retareded.

Same thing for having a ship that mines the largest amout have a small ore hold.. its just stupid.. and forces jet can mining on solo miners.. or making us look like macro miners cause we have to warp to station all the time. (which is a huge waste of time).

So.. new rigs... Medium Orehold Optimization I and II etc. all the needed ones

Edit: I didn't want this to turn into a flame post about T2 cargo expander rigs. (I have already trashed mine because they increase a base cargo hold of 350m3 and 20% of 350m3 is a waste of rig slots)

The main reason for this post although i got side tracked on how i typed it out was for the addition of orehold rigs with the intent on being able to use them on any mining ship ORE .. or even ships that are used for mining that are not built for mining at all.

Although my preferance would be to use them on my hulk.. i would use them on any mining ship that they would be useful on.

I think when the size of the ore hold was balanced, it was taken into account that there are no rigs/modules for ore hold increase.

No, it really doesn't.

You just have to face the fact that you now have to pick your ship according to what you want to do and that none of them will do it all. If you want yield, use a Hulk (and a fleet). If you want cargo capacity and AFK:ness, use a Mack. If you want silly tank, use a Skiff.

Asking for a module that directly contravenes the balanced they've created for the three ships will need a bit stronger argument than “I don't wanna!”

Ya i have 120 million in rigs on one ship alone that would argue with that...

Over all the changes and adding a orehold was a good idea.. but they should have left the general sizes of the holds be the same. when they transfered over to oreholds.

It really does not make sence that the largest most expensive ore mining ship is not the best.. all around ship to mine with.

I understand they wanted to make group mining more of a focus.. and i do group mine as well.. but dont nerf it for when people are solo mining becuase people are not online.. or you just feel like mining solo.

Theres no "best all around" in EVE. All ships are ultra-specialized, and in that way, many ships are useful. Also more expensive isnt always better.

No. Rly which battleship is the best, tell me?

And you cry Hulk isnt the best in all ways than the others? How can you not see that now other two exhumers are useful, rather than useless, like they were before?

No i had it set up for max mining with 2x mining laser upgrade II's and with 2x cargo hold opt. II's i could hold 2x pulls without any loss of ore. and i mined more then the current amount now for the hulk.

current setup i lose ore on the second pull every time.. and i pull less ore over time as well.

The only way i can get it to work is to stagger all the beams and dump ore into a can.

Before i didnt need to use a can even. unless i wanted to group mine .. then i used jet cans and haulers.

The new system is very inefficent and could be corrected with orehold rigs.

and just so you all know i dont support afk mining.. or bots... i cant wait till they put in ore scanning.. and get rid of the belts... i always wanted mining to be an active thing to do because i enjoy it.

Tell me, are you familiar with the concept of BALANCE?

The hulk has an advantage, best yield, and a disadvantage, small hold. Seriously, just use a mackinaw.

Why are people bringing in all this usless stuff about other ships.. there was a time when black ops ships were better then standard battleships.

And titans lol.. there used to be a time when they could insta pop 300 ships if they didnt crash the whole cluster!!

When ever they change something in game some ships get left behind.. like black ops.. and as for titans there role as a almost system wide death star has been changed. and for the good.

Some of the changes they make are good ones and some are bad.. like what they did to the ORE ships.

And the easy way to offset this is to make proper rigs for all the ore ships.. ones that are actually usefull for ORE ships. not just the hulk. but all 3 of them.

I was going back to the station to avoid the many can flippers in the area.. now a days im taking the risk of loss of ore to max out mining with the hulk.

its not the best option but it will have to do.. in the end i think im going to re-sub my hauling alt again.. cause thats the best option lol


Maybe thats was CCP's idea in the first place.. lol

But i still would like to see new rigs that mining ships can actually use.. as of now the only real option for rigs that are even useful are for tanking.. and really thats not my aim.. if your not afk the chance of getting ganked is alot less.. although not impossable thats for sure.