Player Features and Ideas Discussion

CCP Ytterbium I think that the new amarr destroyer need 160 of CPU and not 150, it's a nice ship but to hard to fit, and with 3 missile slots that i can't see how to profit them.
I don't have the intention to speak about the PWG problems because I think one can manage it, more or less.
But using 3 launchers and 3 vampires or neutralizers + 2 dmg drone amlplifiers + a dmg control , an afterburner and a scrambler, you ll need more cpu, and if you try to use light missiles and a warp disruptor it's more funny.

An other thing i can say is to improve the 25% cap recharge bonus to a 50%, because if you use 2 neuts and a mwd, your capacitor becomes a problem, and a booster is not an option with 2 med slots, so putting a mwd = you need vampires, but a vampire and the mwd = more CPU, and it is an horrible puzzle to fit this.
You can try to change the 25% cap recharge bonus to a 25% less cap need for neutralizers too, it ll work better, you can say that it ll be a bad bonus if someone try to do a destroyer with missiles and pulses, but with the CPU it has now, only people with a death wish or a lot of implants will try to change turrets or neuts by missiles.

dont have abything against but, I find interesting amarr have superior drone bay vs gallente

I guess they're kinda cool, but overall I can't say I'm too excited.

What I would actually love to see is them moved to the combat line with greatly increased defence and reduced offence.

Turn them into heavy tackle capable of operating under sentry guns in low-sec as well as robust low level mission runners that newbies will have a hard time losing if flown halfway competently, even if they aren't nearly as fast at completing missions as other ships.

With destroyers becoming a stepping stone in the ship progression I think there's a need for such a role to be filled.

A small ship you can take into low-sec and null-sec with enough speed to evade large gangs and enough EHP to stretch fights against small gangs, allowing newbies longer reaction times.
A first ship newbies can invest their ISK into as a first dedicated mission-running or ratting hull, capable of a good tank allowing new players to make mistakes and still get out alive.
A cheap ship that can serve as tackle under gate guns allowing easy weekend piracy without any serious ISK investment to promote PVP.

All of this compensated by sub-par DPS meaning that once sufficient practice and SPs are acquired other hulls will become preferable for many tasks.

At least that's what my sleep deprived brain is thinking at the moment, might easily be that this is all just batshit ******** though.

Looks like some interesting changes. I can see a use for all of these ships and i suspect all will be lethally effective.

It appears to me as though CCP has some ideas about how all of these different ship types will integrate into racial gang doctrines.

the AC's and arties do specialised damage and more of it. Also, the thrashers RoF bonus converts to 7/0.75 = 9.33 effective turrets and will do more adaptable dps than the new caldari dessie.

The cormorant is still fairly weak as a rail platform, so a decent dps ranged platform like this new dessie would be nice. With the massive boost to grid the cormorant can probably tank better and/or fit large enough blasters for more dps than this dessie can reach.

i think these destroyers are about secondary weapon systems and thats where the amarr dessie got its drone bay from. the neut and vamp bonus gives it a purpose/role

Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 800 / 850 / 950

Gallente trolled again.

Fozzie and Ytterbium,

I appreciate the effort. However, these things seem a little broken already. I think they need a radical rethinking. Possibly making them mini command ships (like a 1% per level bonus on links, or maybe 0% but able to fit 3), or making them tanky destroyers and not gank. Something a little different.

As another gank variant of destroyer, as presented, they just pose too many dangers imo of negating any frigate out there, and after all the work you are putting into frigates. And frankly the drone variants are going to be crap in comparison to the missile variants. The missile variants are going to be absolute murder on frigs at any range, especially the Caldari one. The drone variants will only have their expensive drones targeted and killed, and thus the two ships defanged.

So please shelve these things for a later date.

Sincerely,

LiLu

If only destroyers were meant to destroy frigates or something and these ships actually do that.

But you're obviously the better game developer here and these should 100% definitely be shelved.

I think they should be called the Tern, Gale, Janus, and Visionary.