Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I realize that you're trying to bring variety, but variety comes from differences between ship classes more than differences within ship classes.

A destroyer is a anti-frigate platform. The issue with the destroyers is that they are more fragile than the buffed frigates, these new destroyers also suffer from the lack of fitting that the old destroyers have.

The caldari and minmatar seem somewhat fine, but the gallente one definitely needs a makeover and the amarr one seems like something that could use a bit more thought into.

None of these destroyers have the fitting to utilize their full potential.

Lol yeah I know, lol the buff to the DDAs, won't be needed at all with the new changes to the npc rat AI coming this winter. Drones already are having a tough time on the test server by getting destroyed before they can destroy the rats. But no you are right not needed at all

This would make more sense to me. Better resilience but lower DPS. Current Destroyers fill the "attack" role ideology and these would slot into the combat role. On a plus note. Both destroyers could also then slip into a Bombardment role

Somehow these Caldari ships keep winning the rebalance wars. In order to better balance these and future ships, I think the best thing CCP can do is hire a better Caldari pilot. They also ought to fire their awesome Gallente pilot and replace him with a scrub.

Also, while we're at it, why does Gallente defense suck donkey balls all the time? Bad shield, can't armor tank without breaking ship, sig radius is highest in game, no legit hull tanking mods. Armor reppers are an absolute joke. Remote armor reppers work much better on Amarr ships even though Gallente are the "active" armor race. Give the Gallente hull SIGNIFICANTLY more hull HP, not just a minor bump, and/or perhaps drop their sig radius. They can't fit an adequate tank, so why not allow them to shed damage against larger guns?

/whine

Edit: I like the suggestion of 50% role bonus to drone tracking and speed. These are afterall non-turret destroyers (in Gallente case, a DRONE boat). Why is the Gallente destroyer the only one with a turret bonus? TWO turret bonuses on a non-turret destroyer? A bit off-target.

Will duality be up soon so we can test these?

Okay I have thought about it.
I think the range of the neuts of the new amar dessie is okay.
With less range it will be only frig kite fodder and the comparison to sentinel lacks: sentinel has superb track dis and the new amarr dessie hasnt.
New caldari dessie.... wel I have my doubts that it will be SO powerfull. Fitting 8 light missile launchers will be hard with this pwg and even without bcu we will ave 160dmg at probably 56km maximum.
Well a Thrasher can kill a frig with one or two shots if it is a fast kiting frig. The new caldari dessie will need about 7 seconds flight time at maximum range what means most frigs will have the possibility to jump away before they get hit.
Hard to tell how the new caldari dessie will perform.
Minmaar dessie looks great. But 15% maybe a litle bit too much. But imagine 5 arty Thrashers and five of this new minnie dessies with rocket fit. Crazy fine.
Galente dessie.... dont know. I may be a really good long range support with four rails and drones for blaster catalysts.
ATM I think it all looks great. I would only increase the pwg and targeting range of the caldari dessie a bit and buff the gal dessie a bit. Maybe change one high slot for a low slot.

I like this more, except for the Caldari destroyer which is fine as originally proposed. We don't need a mini Drake. The Minmatar destroyer shouldn't have selectable damage types either, their turret ships have enough of it already.

CCP Ytterbium could you please re read your OP and check for typos the minnie one makes no sense explosion damage ?

These aren't meant to turn into ewar dessies for christ sake!!!! the neut bonus only makes its range 13200km same as a medium neut but its very slow ship so its not that huge but this makes it a tanky inty

the recons are OP as it is besides the curse assuming the TD's base stats are nerfed i mean the rapier and arazu can get over 100km range with webs and LP's granted this includes faction gear and t2 links and maybe some OH but who doesn't have access to those things nowadays?