Player Features and Ideas Discussion

^ I think it says something about the state of active armor tanking that it needs a 50% bonus and even then I'd be tempted to pass on it in most fits.

While this buff is appreciated and needed, have you considered the issue of Drone Damage Amps being incompatible with armor tanking? They take up much-needed low slots, especially on drone boats that have armor tanking bonuses (coughMyrmidoncough). It says something about the meta when, to use drone mods effectively, you have to shield-tank your armor-bonused drone boats.

Also, echoing concerns about the proposed Caldari missile-destroyer. Tiericide is meant to expand the ship selection. If this ship goes in as is, I'll be flying it exclusively among the new destroyers.

I'd much rather this instead of an active armor repping bonus. Buffer on this sort of ship would be pro, but having buffer on a wider variety of Gallente ships would just be amazing.

Amarr dessie really needs another mid. 2 mids on a drone boat hurts, as 1 is already dedicated to prop (rather mandatory to have prop on every ship in pvp). For drones, you need a web, or a drone augmentor in that mid slot, or possibly an injector, especially if this ship is supposed to be going after those new fast as hell frigates, no? And this is assuming they are not solo, where you would need a point.

Maybe -1 High, +1 mid?

As for those naysayers who are opposed to making a whole new group of anti-frig platforms, the current Coercer can already reduce any frig-sized hull (except for assault frigs) to a wreck before they have time to align and warp, yet nobody seems to cry about it - and don't get me started on the Thrasher.

Right. Now I slept on it and still have no idea what the purpose of these things are.

They have worse damage (except Gallente's), -projection and -application (except Caldari) than existing destroyers with no additional benefit. Particularly the proposed Amarr hull, W T F!

No rhyme or reason behind it that I can see.

Short educational blurp:
- Frigate/Destroyer fights are defined by a high damage/EHP ratio .. they are fast and furious.
- Frigates and destroyers kill drones at will, only limiting factor is lock time, try sending 20 drones against say five Trash across a 20-30km gap (why do you think the Worm is not fielded except as bling bait?).
- Small drones are, since frigates came into style again, expensive as hell .. 4-500k a pop, almost as much as a small gun!

Amarr destroyer is essentially a low tank Worm (aneamic dps (drones), slow) with an utterly pointless neut/nos bonus. With 12km range and considering the dps involved (400+!!) that bonus will never get to come into play, it is dead long before it gets more than one cycle .. barely works on the Sentinel with twice the bonus for Goddess sake.
Dronebay size is completely irrelevant as you will be lucky to survive your first flight, much less a second or third .. plus did I mention that drones are expensive as hell, we are talking 6-7M to fill the bay.
* Will never fly this. Not worth the ISK (even if free).

Caldari look promising. Would prefer it if rocket damage/application wasn't included, kind of not their thing you know . With a single TC/TE a rocket version of the proposed hull will function like the Coercer creating a 20km sphere of death .. missiles are not so much a problem as engagement is not likely to happen in point range.
* Near perfect missile alternative to current rail/blaster platform. Well worth the ISK if/when needed.

Gallente is, due to drones, in the same boat as the Amarr but will at least have the option of blaster ganking stuff with drones providing eWar (read: ECM). Doubt many will do so though as 5 guns worth and near-instantly destroyed supplemental dps won't cut it on todays battlefield.
* Personally would not choose this hull over the Catalyst, adds nothing that can not be countered by an 80IQ+ opponent in five seconds.

Minmatar (assuming the first bonus means +dmg to EXP) is an interesting if a bit muddled concept. Will be the ultimate grief mobile in FW minors for sure .. better kiter/griefer than the Slicer! Don't see swarms of these replacing current alpha (arty Thrash) swarms or AC swarms though, sometimes you just need that dps ASAP .. will definitely see action for solo/small gang crews.
* Good missile based alternative to current gun platform even if a bit griefy.

So as far as I am concerned you are 50/50, not too shabby.

To Fix Amarr (two options):
1. Double neut/nos bonus to 40%, remove 50m3 bay. Done
* Makes it a clear and present danger cap wise. Destroyers generally low EHP prevents abuse outside its intended frame.
2. Replace role with rocket range, replace neut/drone bonuses with rocket bonuses, add one high increase launchers to 6.
* Creates the "promised" missile based Coercer

To Fix Gallente:
Decide if it whould be drone or gun based. Life expectancy is too damn low for both to be defensible.
Double bandwidth, replace gun bonus with drone tracking.
* Opens up a whole slew of options; mediums, sentries, lights, eWar .. basically all drones. Destroyers generally low EHP prevents abuse outside its intended frame.

rant below...don't like it don't read it

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Bitter old vet checking in...but CCP are u guys gonna actually do anything relevant to gameplay anytime soon?

I mean it's cool and all that noobships and Merlins are now fixed...they can light cynoes so much more efficiently now...and these new cyno lighting destroyers are also very cool. But seriusly something relevant to actual large alliance gameplay maybe?.

at the rate you are going Supercaps aren't gonna be on the list until what...2018?...i mean it took a year to do frigates and destroyers...A YEAR. Alliance have come and gone...people joined and quit...and in that time you fixed the merlin and the rifter. Oh i'm sorry you have also changed the raven even though half of eve can't tell the new one apart from the old one but everyone claims it looks awesome.

So lets see in 2013 we'll fix ruptures and thoraxes so that RvB gangs will live about 30s longer than they do now. in 2014 you'll get around to BCs and maybe finally fix the drake...though i seriously doubt it....by the end of 2016 you might get around to all the battleships...i mean 6 per year, right?

so 2017 we'll go carriers and dreads...and 2018 we'll actually get to the part of the game that is horribly broken...the supercaps!

so that's 6 years until you do anything that is actually worth any of the time for anyone in 0.0?

cool!

bitter old vet checking out

lol

Speed increase plus light drones equals fail, this has been tested on other ships. Increasing the optimum range of drones and increasing hit points will help such as
+10% drone damage and tracking per level
+20% drone optimum range and hit points per level
Role bonus +50% drone damage
This could work as the damage is still there and the drones have a greater survivability, to actually apply some dps

The Amarr one looks interesting at first glance but do tell me how a neut ship with just two midslots is supposed to operate?