Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Same. I would like more then glass Destroyers introduced along side the lighter ships.

I would like to see the DPS of these things cut and more tank added to the mix. Make the old ones the glass cannons and the new ones heavier.

The catalyst is better as a rail boat IMO.

Have you looked at trying to fit 150mm rails on the new Catalyst?

GALLENTE DESTROYER:

Gallente are always about raw firepower

Drones (bandwidth / bay): 25 / 50

CALDARI DESTROYER:

Missiles, missiles, missiles, missiles, that's what this hull is all about. It spams missiles a quite a long range, and boasts improved explosion velocity to catch those pesky annoying little orbiting frigates.

Ship bonuses:
+5% to rocket and light missile kinetic damage per level
+10% to rocket and light missile explosion velocity per level
Role bonus:
+50% to rocket and light missile velocity
Slot layout: 8 H, 3 M, 2 L, 8 launchers
Fittings: 45 PWG, 210 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 950 / 750 / 750
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / average cap per second): 500 / 320s / 1.56s
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 250 / 2.5 / 1900000 / 4.89s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 0 / 0
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 45km / 475 / 7
Sensor strength: 12 gravimetric
Signature radius: 69
Cargo capacity: 450

5 medium drones dps is not equal to 10 light drone dps
using hobgoblins and hammerheads with max skills
10 hobgoblins 297dps
5 hammerheads 237.6 dps
i am most worried about server load and not dps difference, plus medium drones track for crap.
if the server can handle it the gallente bonuses would be great as such
+10% drone damage and hitpoints
+10% drone tracking and optimum range
role bonus +5 drone control

Why are they even adding these? They seem goofy. As fun as a destroyer droneboat sounds.

Well it could be worse for you. Notice the explo damage bonus on the Minmatar destroyer. That'll be great against all the shield tanked frigs it will be shooting.

This is a very disappointing op and thread. Where to begin.

Gallente:
Seriously? A 50% optimal role bonus? That already exists on all the existing destroyers And now it will only apply to 4 turrets on this new destroyer. Fix the catalyst, give it more grid, and make this new destroyer something new and not another split weapon gallente failure. Also, a 25/50 dronebay that is not as good as the Amarr one is a second slap in the face.

Make the second bonus the tracking bonus the Tristan is getting. And then make the role bonus a 10m3 dronebay per level. Thus at level 5 the dronebay would be 100m3 and thus better than the Amarr dronebay. Drone destroyers are going to lose lots of drones (isk will become a ***** but oh well) so they'd better have lots of spares. Then give the ship another turret to make up for losing the 5% hybrid damage bonus.

Amarr:
I don't like your giving a tech I ship a neuting range or amount bonus. And to only give it 2 mids doesn't work for that (a cap recharge bonus still leaves the ship vulnerable to medium and heavy neut alpha). So, how does it fuel the neuts and still have prop and tackle mods? It doesn't.

But then how do you make this ship stand out? Well, no problem with keying on the missile launchers. The coercer is a laser boat. The worm is a drone+missile boat but it shield tanks. So this destroyer can be a drone+missile boat that armor tanks. Give it 4 launchers and no turrets. The second ship bonus could be a drone tracking bonus like the Gallente destroyer. Then the role bonus can be a +5% em damage or rof bonus on the launchers. This split weapon bonus paradigm actually will satisfy Amarr tech II Khanid Innovation fans I would bet.

Minmatar:
Ok the missile boats have to be carerful not to be absolute murder on frigates. The Caldari one is game breaker, but I'll get to that last. The damge bonus is fine. The range role bonus is maybe ok, but I'll comment on it with the Caldari comments below. But I have no idea what you are doing with this new mwd sig reduction bonus.

I haven't run the math on what that does to the size of the ship in powered flight. Regardless you are shorting the offensive capacity of this ship by restricting it to 7 launchers and then giving in 2 defensive features (the sig reduction and the extra low slot). This seems to be breaking the mould on this class of new destroyers that all are getting offensive bonuses only except for this ship. I suppose the extra low could be filled with another BCS as against the Caldari one, or a TE and thus something like what the Caldari one's proposed bonus is. But I really can't figure this out, so I'll leave this for others to comment on.

Caldari:
And here is where I have real concerns. The damage bonus is fine. The range and explosion velocity bonuses though I'm concerned about especially in conjunction with the new TC/TE mechanics. Even without the new mods these bonuses with the increased light missile damage and the other ship damage bonus could alone make these ships absolute frigate murderers. It could very well moot all the work you are doing on frigs. The drone boats drones can be killed, and the travel time on the drones is slower and very more noticiable on the screen. But killer missiles are not so apparent (especially since many of us have the trails turned off for frame rate issues, and even if not they are not going to be blinking yellow as they travel toward the targeted ship).

I would like to see the math on what a 50% range velocity bonus will mean in conjunction with new mTCs/mTEs. Also, ditto for the secondary explosion velocity bonuses and the new missile tracking mods. You absolutley have to avoid making these two missile destroyers into Instant frigate nullifers. Be very careful with this. Maybe post some numbers for us.