EVE General Discussion

Acctually my main complaint is that the skiff is redundent because of the macks tank. You also under estimate the logistics and cost of such operations. Even our wallets are not endless.

... much like miners complaining about falling mineral prices? ...


They are? Hey Baltec: did I miss the memo that you guys were the villains while I was un-subbed or something?

*shrug* Used to be BoB and all the rest of the Old Guard alliances who were the villains. Guess it's y'alls turn in the hot seat.

Eve highsec miners are no deer and Eve suicide gankers are no hunters/predators. They are both players in a virtual world, which has no relation whatsoever to the natural circle of life.

Why? Well first and foremost, because the general conditions, which in nature would be the laws of physics and biology, can be altered by a higher authority. In nature nobody can change the thickness of a stag's hide or the damage of a wolf's teeth, in Eve this kind of change happens all the time. Then there's the small but important fact that in Eve we are dealing with the only animals that are (as far as we know) are able to make concious desicions. On both sides. Neither the deer nor the predators are able to do that. The ganker chooses to gank, mostly for teh lulz (as far as I know suicide ganking is not really profitable) and the miner chosses to mine, mostly for the easy profit. But both don't do this to survive, or because an instinct tells them to. They do this to have fun in a virtual enviornment.

Also the whole profit/economy/happiness argument is a little off, because there are way more factors to the Eve economy than the supply and demand of ships and ore.

So with that out of the way: I still don't get why gankers are still complaining about the mining buff, the same way I don't get why miners complain about suicide ganking. There are tons of threads in which gankers tell miners to quit whining and tank their barges, in order to adapt to the conditions that are set by the game. And rightly so. In return the gankers must also accept that they have to adapt to the new conditions, by either using bigger and better fit ships, roaming in larger gangs, looking for other targets, or just starting a new pasttime. Eve offers so many fun things to do, but sometimes when you look at the GD-forums it seems like mining and ganking miners are the only activities people care about.

I think I see what this is all about. You really liked your Skiff, didn't you. This ENTIRE Ice Interdiction, Freighter Ganking and even HULKAGEDDON is all because of Skiff!

... You... you... VILLAIN!!

100k? LMAO. You must have pulled that from deep within your rectum.

Why would they do that? It's Bat Boy whining about EHP and how expensive it is to gank them these days. Miners were whining about getting ganked, but did nothing. They were ridiculed and ganked for it and rightly so. Now along comes the ganker to whine about not being able to gank, but they don't seem to want to do what it takes to get it done. So they should be ridiculed and... ganked(?) and rightly so. Or something to that effect.

I don't underestimate the logistics of it. Step 1: Create trial account Step2: Log in and create character Step 3: Undock. Step 4: Get into fleet Step 5: Gank en masse. See? That isn't even remotely hard. It's also free.

WTF has happened to you guys? Do you need help? Are you seriously telling me you don't have the wherewithal to put together a stack of 10 destroyers and fittings each in Jita or another hub? Is all that sov space pve income not enough to cover 50 to 75 million isk in expenses per pilot? You are sad sad men. Your entire alliance should feel bad.

I have a stack of 100 catalysts and 100 thrashers with basic gank fits taken from the hulkageddon ganker instructions. If you can get 100 pilots to form up, I'll arm you, since the Goons are so freaking uncoordinated (srsly. I. Cannot. Believe. How. Wimpy. You. Have. Become.). A simple contract exchange for a reasonable price. Then you run a barracuda fleet into an ice system, 10 ships per mack and kill as many as you can before you burn through the stack of ships.

get your balls out of your wife's purse already.

The fatal flaw to your argument is that the resources are not, as you say, finite. At least not to the point that matters.

Too many miners here and all the belts cleared out? Next system. Not every system, not even every high-sec system, is completely mined out, or even close. It is not finite.

That turnaround doesn't really work as we know that noobships aren't anywhere near efficient for the task at hand for miners, but for gankers in numbers does nearly ensure isk profitability which is the problem you identified. A turnaround here would be something along the lines on making strip miners in highsec nerfed to the point a civ miner could outperform them.

I may be wrong in attributing the idea of ganking having decreased due to a lack of profitability as one that you share. If I am though, the miner buff was a non factor as gank profit doesn't matter and this whole thread asks a question that has no point. I don't believe that to be true and I don't think you do either.

I'm not sure what conclusion you came to from my response either, if you could elaborate it would be appreciated. But thinking into the change itself, if we are talking purely making the tools less efficient so noobships are the top miners, people will use noobships and make similar amounts to now due to the catastrophic drop in supply most likely if the fallout didn't kill the game first. Beyond that, if mechanics didn't force it no one would do it. You may as well have used the same comment pre-change about people only being able to use destroyers to mine. It amounts to the same thing.

Actually I agree with him on the point of the Mack obsoleting the Skiff. Probably why the reasoning goes the same way.

Edit: and actualy, no, I didn't discard the rookie ship idea. In my latter post I played it out. But I wanted to point out that while mechanics made one option semi voable if people weren't an issue, the other wasn't viable compared to alternatives, and later even spelled out how if it were, the situation completely changes as while miners fill a real demand, gankers effectively do not. They only create demand.