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Scarlet Letters and Botters

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Irya Boone
The Scope
#601 - 2012-07-11 18:29:28 UTC
Necroposting, necrothreading and necroTopicing are bad really really BAD Shocked

CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails .... Open that damn door !!

you shall all bow and pray BoB
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#602 - 2012-07-11 18:52:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Shizuken
In my mind the benefit is in knowing how widespread botting is and that something is being done about it. I would like to be able to see a year from now that there is less of it than there is now. That is not so say that there are not more effective ways to show this, but public humilitation would definitely work.

One problem I do see though is that people will start to keep lists of eneryone who is exposed. Then griefing those people, whether they are still botting or not, will be done under the pretext that they are killing botters.

That leads to problems with those who are wrongly accused being forever harassed for something they didnt do.
Naomi Apollonia
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
#603 - 2012-07-11 19:35:10 UTC
Why are you not just banning these cheaters out right?
Red Teufel
Calamitous-Intent
#604 - 2012-07-11 19:38:13 UTC
eh throw them on a seperate eve server just for botters. they can still play just not in my universe.
Zapphire
OBT.
#605 - 2012-07-11 20:09:51 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Hello wonderful Internet Spaceship Pilots!!!!!

Though not all of you have seen my presentation last Friday at this point I have some time to kill so I'd like to get this conversation started that I not only promised, but that I'm really looking forward to.

In some of my past dev blogs and conversations with players it's been mentioned by a number of you that you'd like botters identified publicly. As you will eventually see from my presentation once it's posted, I'm not entirely convinced that this has any real tangible benefit to you as a player in any respect other than as a tool to implement the metagame.

I'm also not convinced that it's a worthless pursuit so what I'd like to see from you, the players, is a discussion regarding how you feel about this and I'm hoping to see some really cool ideas.

If I'm forced to frame it as a question I'd like answered I think I'd frame it as "What would you, the player, stand to benefit from being able to identify which characters had ever been caught botting, whether or not they were still engaging in this activity?"

Please try to stay on topic. If this thread gets garbaged (Sarah Palin License to invent words) then we'll clean it but I'd rather we just stick to the topic and provide some really good input personally.

DISCUSS!

:)


Since you ban botters, what would be the point? They will not be able to log in when you ban them. So, you just want us to be able to harass them on the forums? For what? We will not be able to discuss their ban, without fear of the Hammer coming down on us. Again, what would be the point of all of this?

Seems like it would just create more stupidity.

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Hudzen Ten
Doomheim
#606 - 2012-07-11 20:35:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Hudzen Ten
Naomi Apollonia wrote:
Why are you not just banning these cheaters out right?


20 bucks per month.

Botters caught in high sec should be given a -10 sec status and possibly - faction standings to some degree (def for mission bots). This enables them to be ganked while they serve a penance doing missions to repair the sec

Botters caught in low sec seem like they should of been ganked by someone, but i know they can be setup pretty ninja. I can't think of anything tailored to it, maybe this for the current standard punnishment from CCP as its more unlikely to be any serious 10 char kinda bot farm.

Botters caught in 0.0 should have all characters involved deleted or suffer some kind of skill point reduction similar to being podded with a basic clone. There is so much isk floating around there is no excuse.

Botters caught in wh's should be hired as developers to create a better AI for eve in general.
Pipa Porto
#607 - 2012-07-11 20:59:56 UTC
Necroe'd by someone who got their post snipped. That's just terrible.

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Buck Futz
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#608 - 2012-09-21 00:24:14 UTC
So, Screegs, when is this going to happen?

Certainly there are plenty of bots out thar.

I want to see a B tattooed on the forehead of the botters.

They wont care of course, but I want to see it just the same.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#609 - 2012-09-21 00:31:27 UTC
sreegs.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#610 - 2012-09-21 00:31:33 UTC
Buck Futz wrote:
So, Screegs, when is this going to happen?

Certainly there are plenty of bots out thar.

I want to see a B tattooed on the forehead of the botters.

They wont care of course, but I want to see it just the same.


Since this thread is almost 6 months old I would say probably never. Or in 12 months.

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Buck Futz
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#611 - 2012-09-21 00:57:56 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
sreegs.


I like it my way better.

SCREEEEEEEE gs.
Jason Xado
Doomheim
#612 - 2012-09-21 01:32:52 UTC
I'm curious, if this would be implemented would people stop accusing multiboxers of botting since they wouldn't have the mark?

Seriously though, multiboxing <> botting.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#613 - 2012-09-21 01:39:40 UTC
You should be marked for botting... if by marked you mean banned... Big smile

Signatures should be used responsibly...
Bart Starr
Aggressive Structural Steel Expediting Services
#614 - 2012-09-21 05:20:15 UTC
I wonder whats taking them so long to implement this.

Its like they put all the bad parts of inferno in, but left out all the good stuff.

Yay, wardecs are more expensive.
Oh, but scarlet letter for corp jumpers......no can do.

Lets ban bots!!!!
Then create the Mackinaw and Retriever.

Its like punching yourself in the nutz repeatedly to get a hardon.
You might get where you are going, but it will take a very long time.
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#615 - 2012-09-21 06:25:55 UTC
Necroed again?

CCP is on the five year plan, anything talked about now, will be discussed again in five years.... Roll


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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#616 - 2012-09-21 06:37:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Eugene Kerner
Ah a "rise and shine thread"...
It appears to me that applying practices broadly used from medieval times until the 1940 in a european state, marking "Suspects" with letters or signs so everybody can distinguish them ....
yeah sounds like a very progressive and new feature.

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Incindir Mauser
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#617 - 2012-09-21 07:19:38 UTC
Eugene Kerner wrote:
Ah a "rise and shine thread"...
It appears to me that applying practices broadly used from medieval times until the 1940 in a european state, marking "Suspects" with letters or signs so everybody can distinguish them ....
yeah sounds like a very progressive and new feature.


CCP has access to data that we do not, and the ability to identify bots.

I am convinced that the only way to stop botting in EvE is through player-based policing. Tag them, deny them protection from CONCORD in high security space, put ISK bounties on their heads, and we will take care of the rest.

Instead of bounty hunters. Bot hunters.

It could become a profession. Like miner bumping.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#618 - 2012-09-21 07:23:06 UTC
Buck Futz wrote:
So, Screegs, when is this going to happen?


You make it sound like this was a a post from CCP Sreegs about an upcoming feature, rather than a statement from CCP Sreegs that he sees no value in scarlet letters.

It is not going to happen.

I am as upset as you are about the nerf to suicide ganking. Scarlet letters aren't going to reinvigorate suicide ganking, sadly.

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Amarrius Ibn Pontificus
Legion Air
#619 - 2012-09-23 23:25:30 UTC
How about an off the game, unofficial botting list? Anyone up for that?
Pipa Porto
#620 - 2012-09-24 00:10:09 UTC
Amarrius Ibn Pontificus wrote:
How about an off the game, unofficial botting list? Anyone up for that?


It'll be great to see it when you've finished it.

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