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Scarlet Letters and Botters

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Nylith Empyreal
Blood Marauders
#581 - 2012-04-16 01:52:21 UTC
Did anyone actually read the book? Straight

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DODGE CITY
Keep it Hard
#582 - 2012-04-17 08:32:21 UTC
I doubt many younger people have read the scarket letter
here is a link to a summary of the book witch is a fitting name should they release the names
http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/scarlet/themes.html

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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#583 - 2012-04-17 09:42:03 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
You could but I'm going to read every post in the thread equally anyway.


If so you'd be the first CCP employee to ever read a full thread.
Ryno Caval
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#584 - 2012-04-18 14:26:12 UTC
I think in addition to a "scarlet letter" botters should also lose security standings to prevent them from the safety of high sec I think if caught botting automatically put you at a -10.0 security status it would deter botters as well as cause their ability to safely bot away I highly doubt a player would risk botting in null sec and getting thier ship destroyed regularly by player and npc pirates but that's just me I think botters wouldn't take that specific risk.
Matrix Operator
#585 - 2012-04-18 21:33:34 UTC
What the CCP team has failed to realize is that social pressure is very powerful. If a player if under threat of being branded, it will be a powerful deterent to the impulse of botting. It will also protect CEOs from recruiting them and getting burned...
Taria A'nor
Department of Social Security
#586 - 2012-04-18 23:45:58 UTC
There are two machariel ratting botters in FE-6YQ if anyone is interested.

The second a neut jumped into local, both toons insta-logged out. This also happened numerous times whilst roaming around that space......
Hakaru Ishiwara
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#587 - 2012-04-18 23:54:11 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
...

If I'm forced to frame it as a question I'd like answered I think I'd frame it as "What would you, the player, stand to benefit from being able to identify which characters had ever been caught botting, whether or not they were still engaging in this activity?"
...
Clearly identified targets to hunt, grief, wardec and otherwise hound relentlessly helping to reduce the chances of them returning to botting activities.

Botters are the sex offenders of EVE. No peace and no privacy.

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Sasha Azala
Doomheim
#588 - 2012-04-19 00:04:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Sasha Azala
Hakaru Ishiwara wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
...

If I'm forced to frame it as a question I'd like answered I think I'd frame it as "What would you, the player, stand to benefit from being able to identify which characters had ever been caught botting, whether or not they were still engaging in this activity?"
...
Clearly identified targets to hunt, grief, wardec and otherwise hound relentlessly helping to reduce the chances of them returning to botting activities.

Botters are the sex offenders of EVE. No peace and no privacy.






Key points below:

CCP Sreegs wrote:
whether or not they were still engaging in this activity


Hakaru Ishiwara wrote:
Clearly identified targets to hunt, grief, wardec and otherwise hound relentlessly







You just confirmed to CCP Sreegs (CCP) what they already knew and the reason they won't be able to disclose that information.
Hakaru Ishiwara
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#589 - 2012-04-19 12:07:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Hakaru Ishiwara
Sasha Azala wrote:
Hakaru Ishiwara wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
..

If I'm forced to frame it as a question I'd like answered I think I'd frame it as "What would you, the player, stand to benefit from being able to identify which characters had ever been caught botting, whether or not they were still engaging in this activity?
...
Clearly identified targets to hunt, grief, wardec and otherwise hound relentlessly helping to reduce the chances of them returning to botting activities

Botters are the sex offenders of EVE. No peace and no privacy.


Key points below:

CCP Sreegs wrote:
whether or not they were still engaging in this activity


Hakaru Ishiwara wrote:
Clearly identified targets to hunt, grief, wardec and otherwise hound relentlessly


You just confirmed to CCP Sreegs (CCP) what they already knew and the reason they won't be able to disclose that information.
Oh dear. Do you really believe that we, the community, could pull the wool over the eyes of CCP regarding the intentions of hunting of identified botters? Do you think that I spoiled some sort of subscriber-created ruse intended to fool CCP into taking a particular action?

Let's at least be truthful in this conversation.

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Sasha Azala
Doomheim
#590 - 2012-04-19 12:21:01 UTC
Hakaru Ishiwara wrote:
Oh dear. Do you really believe that we, the community, could pull the wool over the eyes of CCP regarding the intentions of hunting of identified botters? Do you think that I spoiled some sort of subscriber-created ruse intended to fool CCP into taking a particular action?

Let's at least be truthful in this conversation.



Why do you think I said 'what they already knew'? Roll

There is no ruse, this whole thread is for the most part a waste of time.

You could argue they're looking to find a way to warn corps about offenders/ex-offenders, but there is no real way of doing that without painting a target on them.
Ryno Caval
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#591 - 2012-04-21 07:10:57 UTC
I have to say that i did locate some AFK miners/Botters in WH and well this killmail will explain ithttp://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Ryno+Caval#kills
they are seriously a pain since they pull so much from belts and leave legit miners searching for ore but to benifit from them all i say is dont ban them just make the game harder for them by making them auto -10 secutity status so they can be openly attacked and make some kind of badge or signature showing that they have been caught cause other pilotts will weed them out and make AFK/ Botting more difficult i mean an ORCA getting destroyed by a lone T1 Geared Thrasher shows how botting will be mitigated by other players as long as they can be identified pilots that want fair gameplay will hunt them down. Plus players who buy from botters dont know weather or not the items they are buying were cause of botters or not so i dont think it is fair to penalize them nor the people who kill and loot botters shouldnt be penalized either also place a bounty on botters automatically will make them a good target for anyone to remove them from the game. i think most of these things will relieve the botter issue and make the game more fair and who knows there may be a botter hunting Corps (or a few) that pop up to make benifits of this.
dave3NG
Finite Future
#592 - 2012-04-21 07:54:20 UTC  |  Edited by: dave3NG
For mining bots, on top of standard punishment, how about removing the mining skill and not allowing them to retrain it. Not an immediate red mark clearly visible, but still obvious to corp CEOs who can check a skill queue, (and see exhumer, but not basic mining for example).

They could become good citizens in any other form of gameplay.
Dorna Loone
Dark Star Demolition
#593 - 2012-04-21 11:26:15 UTC
Whilst it would give players some indication of the success of the bot detection (from the numbers of tagged players they see) and an opportunity to censor such players, I don't believe it would really serve much purpose beryond that towards the objective of eliminating the practice.
The primary deterrent will be in how effective your detection methods are and in the confiscation of the proceeds of botting.
If that is good and accurate that should suffice.
Yatama Kautsuo
Tencus
#594 - 2012-04-21 13:11:04 UTC
i am all for:

you bot, you lose your account.

no need for scarlet letter then.
Budsin Adar
State War Academy
Caldari State
#595 - 2012-07-11 15:31:22 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Stensson
Edit: If you see any rules violations please use proper tools to report it. It is bad idea to post appeals of this kind in our forums. You can use 'Report Bot' feauture in-game or you can file a petition with category 'Rules & Policies' and sub-category 'EULA & Terms of Service' - ISD Stensson
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#596 - 2012-07-11 16:20:19 UTC
All things considered, I'm amazed that anyone even cares about bots anymore.
I guess CCP found something they could distract that masses with, while still failing to implement non-buggy code....Oops


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Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#597 - 2012-07-11 16:49:17 UTC
If I see a player and the way they act on occasion...and later find out they were banned as a bot, I would be able to more easily identify future botters more accurately if I see others with similar behaviors. This may help detect other bots faster.

On the market side, seeing .01 isking market bots banned would do a good deal to clam frustrated traders who hate the .01 isk game. While it won't stop the .01 game... it'll assure players that the remaining .01 isking competition is other legitimate players and that they aren't trying to compete against a 23/7 market bot when their order gets overtaken almost instantly.

At its core, seeing players get punished for botting is just comforting in general. If you could post not only their name but how much ISK you deleted from them, it would be all the more rewarding. Just as some players love seeing high-value kill mails on players acting dumb... seeing high-value ban-mails from players botting would draw the same crowd...and probably go a long way to discouraging botting from players who might be considering it.

In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse.

silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#598 - 2012-07-11 17:16:57 UTC
dave3NG wrote:
For mining bots, on top of standard punishment, how about removing the mining skill and not allowing them to retrain it. Not an immediate red mark clearly visible, but still obvious to corp CEOs who can check a skill queue, (and see exhumer, but not basic mining for example).

They could become good citizens in any other form of gameplay.

I like.

Simple, elegant, does the job.

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Ukrane Bob
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#599 - 2012-07-11 17:49:26 UTC
dave3NG wrote:
For mining bots, on top of standard punishment, how about removing the mining skill and not allowing them to retrain it. Not an immediate red mark clearly visible, but still obvious to corp CEOs who can check a skill queue, (and see exhumer, but not basic mining for example).

They could become good citizens in any other form of gameplay.


I would even take it a step further and allow CCP to bio mass offending characters caught botting and flagging any other characters on the same account. This way it would instantly remove the botter out of the business and for the folks that want to give the criminals a chance to rehabilitate, well they(the botter) can make a new character and decide a new career path to pursue which would give them a bit of time whilst retraining to think upon their previous ways, flagged of course.

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Korsiri
Defying Vision
#600 - 2012-07-11 18:23:27 UTC
I dislike it, not because I think botters should have any protection - they shouldn't . The only pro thing I've read so far that makes sense is recruitment. I don't see any other reason players would benefit from this. As for shame, forget it. Botters by definition aren't there, some of em are professional at it. They're not going to feel guilt or shame because they got caught; annoyance - maybe. Then they'll open another account and do it again.

Why not simply post the names of toons caught botting? Recruiters can look em up, wanna be equalizers can look em up and do some work instead of having a flashy red delicious button on a moving target to attract em first lol