These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE New Citizens Q&A

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

Low and null Sec Mission questions.

Author
Tao Tzu
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-09-19 14:34:34 UTC
Hello
I was thinking of running low and null sec Angel missions (mostly in curse).
I know its not a safe endeavor but not sure as to all the reasons.

I know that I would need to make it past gate and station camps.
But I am unlcear - during the mission can I be probed out? If yes, how is it possible to run missions at all in that case?
What other dangers are present from pvpers?

Does anyone bait pvpers in missions?

Thanks
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-09-19 14:38:57 UTC
Tao Tzu wrote:
Hello
I was thinking of running low and null sec Angel missions (mostly in curse).
I know its not a safe endeavor but not sure as to all the reasons.

I know that I would need to make it past gate and station camps.
But I am unlcear - during the mission can I be probed out? If yes, how is it possible to run missions at all in that case?
What other dangers are present from pvpers?

Does anyone bait pvpers in missions?

Thanks


Yes you can be probed out in mission pockets.
You can run them while spamming D-scan and look for (combat) probes on it.
If you see them you warp to a safe spot (or bounce multiple safe spots) and wait for them to move out.

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club

Jim Era
#3 - 2012-09-19 14:45:42 UTC
Just go there, use your scanner.
You can be probed in mission sites. You might be found.

Bring a tube of lube.

Watâ„¢

Major Trant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-09-19 16:46:09 UTC
I'm not aware that you can run any pirate mission in low sec. I had a quick look at eve-agents.com and see several Angel Agents in level -0.1 and -0.2 systems, these are negative null sec, not low sec which show as 0.1 and 0.2

For the following explanation, I'm assuming you want to run Angel missions for the purpose of grinding up faction and then farming LP. You are going to be fairly static in a handful of systems and want to avoid PvP.

Trying to grind up standing with pirate factions in null is hard work. Your best bet is to join a corp/alliance that is already running them and let them pull you through their L4 missions until your standing is high enough to run them yourself. They will give you all the ins and outs of running missions in null sec.

Basically you need to run them in areas full of blues, otherwise you will get probed out and killed repeatidly, camped into stations and killed on gates. Null is too crowded nowadays to ninja run missions under the noses of hostile alliances. You might get away with it for a few missions, but you will soon get fed up having to dock or safe up repeatidly while the locals are actively hunting you. Instead you need to be one of the locals and then just watch out for the roaming gang and soloist. Hopeful, your alliance will have a good intel channel to give you pre-warning, but you still have to watch that channel and local like a hawk.

Running D-Scan to see if combat probes are out is an option, but it is poor advice. When running NPC missions, you should be getting safe as soon as a hostile/neutral comes in local and just assume that they are using probes, you don't need to see them on D-Scan. If you wait to see probes, they will find and bookmark your mission and then come back into system 10 minutes later and warp straight to it. You won't see any probes the second time around.

If you are in a pipe that sees a lot of through traffic of neutrals, you might want to risk it. One option is to cloak up an alt off the mission in gate and run your mission runner off as soon as something lands. Use your D-Scan on short scan, from your alt, say 25,000,000 Kms just looking for incoming ships. Use a ranged ship too, so that you can just get into a room and immediately align out. Then stay aligned.

If there isn't a dockable station or friendly POS in systems, you should consider fitting a cloak to your ship. If you don't like the penatlies of having a cloak, you need to set up a host of safe spots and keep bouncing around them when people are in system trying to probe you out. Don't sit in your safe spots waiting to see combat probes on your D-Scan, stay in warp constantly between them and when a serious probing team is looking for you, keep dropping new bookmarks as you warp and avoid returning to the same safe spots. After 15 minutes from your last aggressive action, if they are still looking for you, log off.

A second account running a cloaky alt is almost a necessity if you're running missions solo in null. That in turn requires a dual screen set up to be effective.
Tao Tzu
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-09-19 17:44:47 UTC
Major Trant wrote:
I'm not aware that you can run any pirate mission in low sec. I had a quick look at eve-agents.com and see several Angel Agents in level -0.1 and -0.2 systems, these are negative null sec, not low sec which show as 0.1 and 0.2
.


Thanks for the sound and detailed advice. Sounds like joining a Null Sec corp in the area is the best bet. Not so easy either though but possible.
Tamiya Sarossa
Resistance is Character Forming
#6 - 2012-09-19 19:45:29 UTC
While Major Trant has some good points, from personal experience he's being overly pessimistic. While joining an established corp/alliance in the area makes your life easier, it's by no means mandatory. I spent a solid several months running angel missions in Curse with two or three corp mates - when we came out, we had no blues in the area, and had no problem grinding up standings and then running missions. Usual rules of null apply - always scout gates, watch for bubbles, have BM's above/below stations and gates, etc.

Most of the time I was lazy about scouting gates so I only ran missions in my one system (had two or three lvl IV Angel agents there, I believe), using a pvp fit BS and a cloaky logistics (if I thought I might be probed and get a chance at some kills) or a single t3 if the alt was off somewhere else. Watching dscan I had plenty of time to get out of any mission before I was probed, and occasionally had chances to bait and kill solo players or small gangs coming after me. Don't bother leaving a mission as soon as a neutral comes in - even if you somehow miss probes on dscan, burn off the warpin and stay aligned and getting out is pretty trivial if you're paying attention.

After awhile we worked out blue standings with some people in the area after killing some some mutual pewing, but that was more to expand our PvP options in the area than to make running missions safer. I don't think I lost a single ship running missions over the course of several months, and I got pretty careless at times.
Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#7 - 2012-09-19 20:32:28 UTC
You are also aware that your faction standing with major factions will drop; caldari, gallente, minmitar, Amarr, Concord as you mission for pirate corp...keep this in mind if you plan on someday coming back to empire.
Major Trant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-09-20 12:16:49 UTC
Tamiya Sarossa wrote:
I spent a solid several months running angel missions in Curse with two or three corp mates - when we came out, we had no blues in the area...

You do realise that the 2 or 3 corp mates that you are running the missions with are 'blues in the area' to you?
Sin Pew
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-09-20 12:36:16 UTC
Major Trant wrote:
Tamiya Sarossa wrote:
I spent a solid several months running angel missions in Curse with two or three corp mates - when we came out, we had no blues in the area...

You do realise that the 2 or 3 corp mates that you are running the missions with are 'blues in the area' to you?
More hair-splitting: my corpmates are green, not blue.

[i]"haiku are easy, But sometimes they don't make sense, Refrigerator."[/i]

Major Trant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-09-20 12:53:13 UTC
Sin Pew wrote:
Major Trant wrote:
Tamiya Sarossa wrote:
I spent a solid several months running angel missions in Curse with two or three corp mates - when we came out, we had no blues in the area...

You do realise that the 2 or 3 corp mates that you are running the missions with are 'blues in the area' to you?
More hair-splitting: my corpmates are green, not blue.

lol - sorry my bad!
Sin Pew
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-09-20 12:54:16 UTC
Major Trant wrote:
Sin Pew wrote:
Major Trant wrote:
Tamiya Sarossa wrote:
I spent a solid several months running angel missions in Curse with two or three corp mates - when we came out, we had no blues in the area...

You do realise that the 2 or 3 corp mates that you are running the missions with are 'blues in the area' to you?
More hair-splitting: my corpmates are green, not blue.

lol - sorry my bad!
Happens to everyone Blink

[i]"haiku are easy, But sometimes they don't make sense, Refrigerator."[/i]

J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-09-20 13:21:27 UTC
Sin Pew wrote:
Major Trant wrote:
Tamiya Sarossa wrote:
I spent a solid several months running angel missions in Curse with two or three corp mates - when we came out, we had no blues in the area...

You do realise that the 2 or 3 corp mates that you are running the missions with are 'blues in the area' to you?
More hair-splitting: my corpmates are green, not blue.


So you are saying that with a NBSI policy I can shoot corp matesTwistedTwisted

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club

Sin Pew
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2012-09-20 14:00:10 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Sin Pew wrote:
Major Trant wrote:
Tamiya Sarossa wrote:
I spent a solid several months running angel missions in Curse with two or three corp mates - when we came out, we had no blues in the area...

You do realise that the 2 or 3 corp mates that you are running the missions with are 'blues in the area' to you?
More hair-splitting: my corpmates are green, not blue.


So you are saying that with a NBSI policy I can shoot corp matesTwistedTwisted
Suddenly, splosion... http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=17098799 Oops

[i]"haiku are easy, But sometimes they don't make sense, Refrigerator."[/i]

Plaude Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-09-20 14:14:50 UTC
Tao Tzu wrote:
Hello
I was thinking of running low and null sec Angel missions (mostly in curse).
I know its not a safe endeavor but not sure as to all the reasons.

I know that I would need to make it past gate and station camps.
But I am unlcear - during the mission can I be probed out? If yes, how is it possible to run missions at all in that case?
What other dangers are present from pvpers?

Does anyone bait pvpers in missions?

Thanks

You can be scanned down while in a mission site in low-sec and null-sec (same goes for High-sec, really), but generally, in my experience, it's a lot safer to run missions or Unknown Signatures in low-sec than running the anomalies, solely because whoever wants you dead will have to scan you down first, and your D-scan can reveal the probes for you. It's still quite possible to do missions in low-sec despite the danger of being scanned down.

The biggest dangers you need to worry about are Gate-camps. Once you make it through those, you should be fine as long as you keep updating your D-scan every other moment.

New to EVE? Want to learn? The Crimson Cartel will train you in the fields of _**your **_choice. Mainly active in EU afternoons and evenings. Contact me for more info.

Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#15 - 2012-09-20 22:01:38 UTC
Tao Tzu wrote:
Hello
I was thinking of running low and null sec Angel missions (mostly in curse).
I know its not a safe endeavor but not sure as to all the reasons.

I know that I would need to make it past gate and station camps.
But I am unlcear - during the mission can I be probed out? If yes, how is it possible to run missions at all in that case?
What other dangers are present from pvpers?

Does anyone bait pvpers in missions?

Thanks


Yes, you can be probed out. By using d-scan to see the probes, dropping a jet can at the warp in point and making sure you stay away from point range of that can marker you'll be able to annoy a lot of people. Not being able to do your mission after it's probed out may annoy you. Patience will win.

Yep, I've used mission/plex gates as choke points to kill people. It's a good plan if you're a small outfit and your enemy can hotdrop...cynos don't work past mission gates or even near the 1st gate if my memory serves me correctly.

Other dangers? Don't trust you will see probes if you are going to an exploration site. I leave those sometimes as bait and corp bookmark them. If you know where they are ahead of time you can go in and cloak with a recon then just wait for fish.
Disastro
Wrecking Shots
#16 - 2012-09-21 11:44:18 UTC
Tao Tzu wrote:
Hello
I was thinking of running low and null sec Angel missions (mostly in curse).
I know its not a safe endeavor but not sure as to all the reasons.

I know that I would need to make it past gate and station camps.
But I am unlcear - during the mission can I be probed out? If yes, how is it possible to run missions at all in that case?
What other dangers are present from pvpers?

Does anyone bait pvpers in missions?

Thanks


I ran angel missions in curse for a while with one of my alts. Your best bet would be to join one of the alliances/corps living there that own one of the small pockets where you can log missions. Otherwise getting in and out of your mission station itself is going to be irregular as they will probably be camping the undock at least part of the time trying to kill you. Its not personal. Neutrals are fair game anywhere in null sec and people take every opportunity that they can to kill them.

Yes. Missions can be probed out. However. There is good news. Many of the missions that you log can be "blitzed." Blitzing is what mission runners call it when you run a mission by not killing everything but just racing in to do the mission objective part and skipping all of the rest. If you look at the mission reports web sides you will notice that most missions have a short blitz this mission segment where it explains how to bypass everything you dont need to do.

The objective (for most people) in nullsec missioning is to gain loyalty points with the faction in question. Those loyalty points are where the money is. In the case of angels you probably are planning on buying blue prints for cynabols and dramiels to make money. Thats what most of the mission runners for angels use their lp on and it can make good money.

I havent been in curse for a while. I dont know who the major players are there any more. When i was last there russians and small corps/alliances seemed to dominate the place. Every little pocket had its own group controlling it. This kind of makes it important to find out who is controlling the places where most of the level 4 agents are. Of course, you could just do it on your own. I did. It is possible. But you will have to deal with occasionally be camped or occasionally warping out of your mission when you see combat probes on scan.
Tamiya Sarossa
Resistance is Character Forming
#17 - 2012-09-22 19:39:08 UTC
Major Trant wrote:
Tamiya Sarossa wrote:
I spent a solid several months running angel missions in Curse with two or three corp mates - when we came out, we had no blues in the area...

You do realise that the 2 or 3 corp mates that you are running the missions with are 'blues in the area' to you?


Greens, as was pointed out Big smile. And when I was missioning corpies were usually offline, if they were online we'd be hunting. Main point being you don't have to be blue to the big corps/alliancs in the area - it's perfectly easy to make it by running missions solo with basic precautions (though dual-boxing does make it a hell of a lot easier).