Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So you've nothing more to say on the subject other than "bump".

And still you have almost no support for your demands.

I bet you were the sort of person who as a child, when told she couldn't have something, screamed and screamed and screamed until daddy gave it to you. And from your obvious misandry I'd say your daddy did give it to you.

Misogyny is the hatred of women or girls. That means ALL women or girls. It DOES NOT mean hating one women or one girl because they're a biggoted hate monger demanding ridiculously pointless things (considering the lack of any avatar interaction) simply because she considers herself to be marginalised and therefore have more rights than anyone else.

I and most of the other supposed misogynists here don't hate women or girls. In fact, most of us actively love them as often as we possibly can.

It's a bit like an argument between a black guy and a white guy. If one of them loses his temper and hits the other is he a racist? Well, it entirely depends on whether he's attacked the other chap because of the colour of his skin (or nationality etc.) or because of something completely different. So, the black guy slept with the white guy's sister, took photos and posted them on the internet. The white guy hits the black guy. Is it racist or is it pretty much justified?

Isabel Midnight has shouted demands which either aren't backed up by anyone else (the few positives being alts) or are backed up by such a tiny portion of the forum goers that the validity of the demands should be and have been brought into question.

Isabel Midnight has accused most, if not all, of the people who've replied negatively to her proposal, whether agressively or not, with blanket "You're all misogynists" comments which are as valid as the black guy in my example claiming the white guy is a racist. Her arguments aren't agreed with by most of the people who read and post on this forum. She persists in trying to enforce her demands, not with calm rationality but with baseless accusations casting the natures and ethics of ALL her ctitics into question whilst claiming to be the injured party.

She is not the injured party. She brought a point which is not widely seen as important by the playerbase to the attention of the forum in the form of a demand and then accused any and all neighsayers of being misogynists and worse.

&TLDR Isabel Midnight is a bigot who likes accusing others of her own flaw.

Please acquaint yourself with the definition of misogyny.

IF there was any misogyny involved in women in the game having to wear high heals it would mean that CCP intentionally made it that way specifically because they hate women.

Anyone with half a brain can tell that simply isn't the case.

Therefore, the only logical assumption that can be made is that the reason women all wear high heals is because of a mix of pragmatic design decisions, cost/benefit analysis (technical and/or financial) and simplification of complicated interaction mechanics. There may be others but I think that covers the most obvious.

Argumentum ad populum does actually stand. Someone who believes themselves to be in the minority and/or marginalised doesn't get more than one vote to make up for it in any country, as far as I can tell.

People really need to get to grips with a bit of common sense. When and only when we have avatar interactions does this demand transition from pointless to having some (albeit very little) merit.

No, it's not. I've already made a post where I clearly state several other possible reasons for it, including market research among female players. It's entirely possible that the feedback they got from women favored high heels, and technical limitations only allowed for one type of shoe.

You accuse people of acting on hate while never considering they might have other motives.

double-post, sry

mi·sog·y·nist   [mih-soj-uh-nist, mahy‐]
noun
a person who hates, dislikes, mistrusts, or mistreats women

I guess I'm a misogynist then, because I don't trust them as far as I can kick them. Up hill and against the wind. Irony of ironies, feminism has done more to create a generation of ACTUAL misogynists than anything else possibly could. To top it off, women are the most unhappy they've ever been (as a group) and are painted as perpetual victims unable to do anything for themselves. Feminists do an absolutely MARVELOUS job of treating women as children. Feminism is misogynistic?

Having said that, why are we having a political discussion in my internet spaceships forum!?

Uhh...dudes? Characterizing the feminist movement as bad for women just feeds their delusions.

I'm just waiting for the OP to make a thread about being forced to wear a bra.

What you guys fail to understand is that CCP will give this woman what she wants.
Because the world is heading in a female-dominant direction, and CCP isn't an exception to this.
This makes me both angry and happy at the same time

Ah, so you admit the possibility that no intent to demean or marginalize women has taken place.

Without the intent to cause harm, the perception of such harm could be defined as being limited to only those choosing to see it.

This raises the question, why do you choose to see harm?

Will winning this battle fill some hole in your heart? I do hope for you to find inner peace, but to do so upon changes to our game is unfair to those of us simply wanting to play with space ships.

Perhaps you should stop trying to walk all over us with your shoes.

Intent is not part of the term. People have even posted wikipedia definitions and such in here and intent has never been mentioned.

If you step on my foot it hurts me regardless of your intent. If someone stood on your foot and you started wailing about how you didn't mean to step on it so how dare they feel pain....