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Corp faction standing mechanics question
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MsMcProbes
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-09-02 20:10:28 UTC
My alt bought a pre made corp a while back, with high caldari standing so that we could anchor a tower in high sec. Which we did shortly after purchase. However we recently tried an anchor another tower, and discovered we now have neutral standing with Caldari state. Looking through our corp information, it lists 11 factions to which are all negative and no positive factions listed. All characters in the corp have neutral factions standing with all factions (thus are not listed under like/disliked by). I was under the assumption that as long as all characters in the corp remain factionally neutral then our corp would retain the standings associated with the seller. In other words...

"You take the standing (without skills included) of each corporation member (towards the NPC entity in question) on an active subscribing account, add them all up and then divide by the number of members that have the standing already in their character sheet. The ones who do not have a standing towards the entity are not taken into account"

Did the mechanics for faction standing change or was I just mislead?
serras bang
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-09-02 20:53:43 UTC  |  Edited by: serras bang
faction standing take 7 days to add and 7 days to disapear so when you first got the corp it had high standing due to the owner and only person in it haveing high standing after passing it to you it took 7 days for your standings to affect corps and for his to disapear from the corp standing i hope this helps.

so only thing you can do now is pay enough people to rais standing enough again, give to someone else and leave corp to raise standing after 7 days in the hopes they give it back. or pay someone or do it yourself for you and anyone else in corp to get high enough caldari standings.
MsMcProbes
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-09-02 20:55:51 UTC
Ok, but why am I still showing 11 factions in the negative ranging from -0.24 to -8.0, if faction standing is supposed to adjust after 7 days ALL factions would be 0, not just the ones I was in good standing with, right? This is why Im confused.
serras bang
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-09-02 21:01:30 UTC  |  Edited by: serras bang
it gose with all chars in the corp and takes the avg however past that i cant answer sorry still hope ive helped a lil anyway.

only thing i can think of is perhaps you not haveing standing with certian factions means that the old ones never get over writen is all i can think of.
MsMcProbes
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-09-02 21:07:48 UTC  |  Edited by: MsMcProbes
As I said, all characters have a neutral standing with all factions, and the characters have been with the corp almost since its purchase. So if the average is taken...all factions should be 0 across the board. We filed a petition, but still waiting to hear back. Im not quite sure why the numbers are what they are. Hmmmmmm.

P.S. Again I was under the assumption that only characters with a faction standing (positive or negative) would influence that number. Ones with a neutral standing wouldnt be taken into account. So our corp faction standing shouldnt have changed.
Raven Fenx
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-09-02 21:43:14 UTC
There's a difference between neutral and "Neutral".
You can have a +.02, or a -.02 standing for example and it will be shown as neutral.
However, in the context of corp standings, the only time a characters standing does not affect the corp standing is if that player has a perfect 0 neutral.
If a player has any standing at all, it will count in the corp standings. If a player has 0 standing, it does not affect the corp standing.
You can right click, show composition to see how your corp standings are derived.

I hope this helps.
MsMcProbes
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-09-02 21:50:09 UTC
Raven Fenx wrote:
There's a difference between neutral and "Neutral".
You can have a +.02, or a -.02 standing for example and it will be shown as neutral.
However, in the context of corp standings, the only time a characters standing does not affect the corp standing is if that player has a perfect 0 neutral.
If a player has any standing at all, it will count in the corp standings. If a player has 0 standing, it does not affect the corp standing.
You can right click, show composition to see how your corp standings are derived.

I hope this helps.



I understand that, however Ive already gone through that process and no characters are contributing to the faction standing the corp has. Also, all character list 0 factions under standing, so everyone in the corp has, and has had, a perfect neutral standing since the purchase (again, not counting the previous owner). We been careful not to add any members with any faction standing as to prevent a change in our corps standing with any faction.
serras bang
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-09-02 21:51:38 UTC
Raven Fenx wrote:
There's a difference between neutral and "Neutral".
You can have a +.02, or a -.02 standing for example and it will be shown as neutral.
However, in the context of corp standings, the only time a characters standing does not affect the corp standing is if that player has a perfect 0 neutral.
If a player has any standing at all, it will count in the corp standings. If a player has 0 standing, it does not affect the corp standing.
You can right click, show composition to see how your corp standings are derived.

I hope this helps.


this is what i ment if you do not have standings with a certian corp either pluss or minus it will not change from the last logged person.
Rengerel en Distel
#9 - 2012-09-03 13:36:31 UTC
If you right click on the factions, there's a show composition or something which lists which members are effecting the standings. I can only guess that someone non-neutral standings was in for a week and you hadn't noticed.

You can kick out the people with non-neutral, and accept someone with high standings for a week to fix it. The same people that sell corps usually have that service as well.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
sodney
Tactical Feed.
Insidious.
#10 - 2012-09-03 13:52:50 UTC
serras bang wrote:
faction standing take 7 days to add and 7 days to disapear.


there is no such update.mechanism like that... these 7 days can be seen as a estimate at best. I been selling corps on a regular basis and it usually took between 5 and 12 days, depending on how many standing changes happened through this time.
Corporations4u CEO
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-09-03 14:27:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Corporations4u CEO
sodney wrote:
serras bang wrote:
faction standing take 7 days to add and 7 days to disapear.


there is no such update.mechanism like that... these 7 days can be seen as a estimate at best. I been selling corps on a regular basis and it usually took between 5 and 12 days, depending on how many standing changes happened through this time.



This mechanic is tried, tested and published by CCP! The process takes 7 down times to complete. The only time it will take longer is if the boosting character joins in the morning before down time. For some reason it never includes this DT. I assume CCP only includes characters that where members at midnight.

I have never had the process complete earlier (18+ months making corps). The only times it has taken longer than this was down to mine (accidentally dropping corp for a few minutes) or a customers error (by adding extra characters to the mix) OR when CCP screw something up during an update (very rarely)

To the OP, not sure about your problem. The only true neutral character will only show 10.0 standings with the initial starter agent. Anything else will add to the averaging out process. A petition should clear up the issue.


EDIT: for link to wiki for Sodney
MsMcProbes
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-09-03 16:00:19 UTC
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
If you right click on the factions, there's a show composition or something which lists which members are effecting the standings. I can only guess that someone non-neutral standings was in for a week and you hadn't noticed.

You can kick out the people with non-neutral, and accept someone with high standings for a week to fix it. The same people that sell corps usually have that service as well.


Ive gone through that, the ONLY factions our corp has standings with have no contributing members, and are ALL in the negative. No factions in the positive, which to me seems like an impossibility. And there was NO members that joined at any time with ANY faction standing, as the corp is owned and controlled by only my alts.
MsMcProbes
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-09-03 16:04:59 UTC
Corporations4u CEO wrote:
sodney wrote:
serras bang wrote:
faction standing take 7 days to add and 7 days to disapear.


there is no such update.mechanism like that... these 7 days can be seen as a estimate at best. I been selling corps on a regular basis and it usually took between 5 and 12 days, depending on how many standing changes happened through this time.



This mechanic is tried, tested and published by CCP! The process takes 7 down times to complete. The only time it will take longer is if the boosting character joins in the morning before down time. For some reason it never includes this DT. I assume CCP only includes characters that where members at midnight.

I have never had the process complete earlier (18+ months making corps). The only times it has taken longer than this was down to mine (accidentally dropping corp for a few minutes) or a customers error (by adding extra characters to the mix) OR when CCP screw something up during an update (very rarely)

To the OP, not sure about your problem. The only true neutral character will only show 10.0 standings with the initial starter agent. Anything else will add to the averaging out process. A petition should clear up the issue.


EDIT: for link to wiki for Sodney


Members have various npc corp standing but no factional standings.
sodney
Tactical Feed.
Insidious.
#14 - 2012-09-03 20:20:01 UTC
Corporations4u CEO wrote:


This mechanic is tried, tested and published by CCP! The process takes 7 down times to complete. The only time it will take longer is if the boosting character joins in the morning before down time. For some reason it never includes this DT. I assume CCP only includes characters that where members at midnight.




well i just had it happened during the last 11 days again...too bad im not allowed to post petitions here but thats pretty much what a GM told me. It can take up to 2 weeks depending on how many players are i nthe corp.
Rengerel en Distel
#15 - 2012-09-03 22:55:51 UTC
MsMcProbes wrote:
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
If you right click on the factions, there's a show composition or something which lists which members are effecting the standings. I can only guess that someone non-neutral standings was in for a week and you hadn't noticed.

You can kick out the people with non-neutral, and accept someone with high standings for a week to fix it. The same people that sell corps usually have that service as well.


Ive gone through that, the ONLY factions our corp has standings with have no contributing members, and are ALL in the negative. No factions in the positive, which to me seems like an impossibility. And there was NO members that joined at any time with ANY faction standing, as the corp is owned and controlled by only my alts.


That is very odd then, hope the petition solves it for you.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Doddy
Excidium.
#16 - 2012-09-04 15:24:09 UTC
If all is as you say it is a bug.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#17 - 2012-09-04 23:46:44 UTC
Sometimes flushing your cache will show the standings change, if they have indeed changed.

It is a well known and very old bug.
MsMcProbes
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-09-05 10:27:44 UTC  |  Edited by: MsMcProbes
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Sometimes flushing your cache will show the standings change, if they have indeed changed.

It is a well known and very old bug.



Ok, Im willing to try anything at this point. How would I go about doing that?

Edit - Found out how, and did as recommended. No change...
Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#19 - 2012-09-05 11:45:40 UTC
Shocked you can sell your corp!!! huh, didn't think there was a market for this, so if my toon has high caldari factional standing and corp has high enough I can then sell corp for those who wish to place a POS in high sec caldari space....humm interesting, how much does something like that sell for, and howbout whoring yourself to raise standings of corps?
Gianath
Gallentian Legitimate Businessmen
#20 - 2012-09-05 18:02:56 UTC
Piugattuk wrote:
Shocked you can sell your corp!!! huh, didn't think there was a market for this, so if my toon has high caldari factional standing and corp has high enough I can then sell corp for those who wish to place a POS in high sec caldari space....humm interesting, how much does something like that sell for, and howbout whoring yourself to raise standings of corps?


Browse the sell forums to get an idea on the types of corps in demand for sale and what kind of price you might get.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=278

Some people have made it into a specialized business, so you will have some competition.
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