Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Hahahahahahha. Thanks for the good laugh!

edit: Btw, he's your president now!

It applies to both.

But the current situation since the ecm nerfs is that unbonused ecm on a non-ecm boat is worth squat. Meanwhile every new Caldari mid-slot blessed rebablanced frig is able to fit a TD and absolutely **** over any other racial turret shipt. And painters should not have only a 25% lesser effect on any ship as opposed to painter boats. This state of affairs is not balanced and is leading to a further shield/Caldari/Minmatar dominance (in the new frigs and dessys) that was already established at about all sub-cap ship classes prior to the start of rebalancing.


ECCM and remote ECCM work on BSs, Logis, and Carriers, because they are percentage based. And even then many, myself included, argue that they need a buff (or we need some new skills like radar sensor integrity, to bonus the use of eccm).

For smaller ship sizes they are rather ineffectual, again due to their purely percentage based effect. Throwing a percentage boost on top of a frigs already small sensor strength does not remove a frig from being easy ewar fodder for an ecm boat. One solution might be to rewrite eccm modules to provide a small whole number bonus as well as a percentage on top.

Additionally, for frigs that are meant to tackle, those mids are already filled with prop, pointing and webbing modules. Unless of course this should be another place where Caldari mid-slot blessed should have an advantage, i.e. able to fit prop, point, web, eccm

As for damps it is not damps that are weak it is the damping effect from damping boats that is weak.

As for TDs, they are the new old style multispec. The base module needs a nerf so that it is not missile boat heaven. And when CCP makes TDs affect formerly safe missile usage missile boat pilots will be crying for a nerf right along with turret pilots that are currently getting screwed by the missile boats using that very module.

As for TP boats it seems to me for this weakest of all racial ewars about the only thing you can do to make flying these specialized boats worth flying and fitting with it is to nerf the base module and over-buff the TP-ing boats themselves. Otherwise why bother flying one.


I would agree, but that thinking was taken to the extreme with ecm. And then CCP said no more multispec of doom, and rightly so. But apparently every other race should not have a patent on it's ewar and thus the utility of it's ewar boats. So there goes the balance on that. Everyone else's ewar boats should be perpetually lacking in desirability, but Caldari ewar boats always in demand?

I'm sure CCP could find a slight (if they really try) level of nerf to Damps, TPs, and TDs modules such that a Caldari frig can't fit one and thumb it's nose at any turret frig it then has an easy time kiting and killing, but would provide a higher ship bonus to the specialized non-ecm ewar boat and result in a better Damping, Painting, or Weapon Disrupting Boat over current values. Non bonused ships could still fit non-ecm ewar modules but they would not operate like the old multispec of doom like they do now in certain situations and on certain non-bonused ships. The effect would be much less powerful and not a "lol look at his ship suck once i hit him with my unbonused TD."

edit- and in the event Fozzie is pulling another long day at the office and to get back on topic (although the above discussion is not really off-topic because it points out why re-balanced Caldari frigs are starting do dominate) Please, Please, if you are going to short the Tristan a slot as against the other ships in this class short it a high and not a mid or a low. And give it a little more speed. Make it trully a combat drone boat, and not just another slow drone and obligatory blaster only split-weapon failure.

However, I think you missed my point a little. I was trying to state that there is no [real] counter to missiles and target painters. A module that either lowered your ships signature radius, which would counter both as missiles are heavily dependent of signature radius of target, or just reduce incoming missile damage would be an effective counter. The question is; "Should this be a high or a mid slot module?" and "Should this module have drawbacks?"

With an effective missile counter missile users will probably start wanting to fit target painters to counter the counter, or they can continue to be defensive and fit EWAR or tank. The point is there would be more choice. More fits. MOAR. MOAR. MOAR

can you back up your claims with actual testing?
if not, maybe wait until you can and start screaming at this point. it's all theory atm.
i think everything that can bring some form of alpha will instapop every breacher along its way.

I have some experience that CCP made a stealth buff on all active shield tanked ships with the ancillary shield booster.
That means: CCP stealth buffed minmatar ships.
The Cyclone actually is the best and most effective bc of all and eats any other bc for beakfast. I can even imagine that a x-large ancillary shield boost cyclone can eat two drakes at once because they can´t break his tank.
I remember that we engaged a lonely cyclone with a smaller fleet of probably four destroyers and some cruisers (3 or 4) and couldn´t get that thing down. We tried for maybe three minutes without any chance to break his tank and then got killed by an incoming sfi fleet. Actually the ancillary shield booster makes the cyclone an over the top killer machine. A good fitted cyclone can active tank over 1300 ehp/s and still do some 460dps without needing cap for guns. There are battleships which won´t get that thing down and get killed....
Wonder that nobody is whining about that.
Now imagine what a breacher can do with this bonus. It will eat cruisers?

Forget Hurricane and Drake. Cyclone eats them for breakfast. Maybe two of them simultaneously. That means: Will a breacher eat two merlins at once? ROFL.
Total fail CCP.

well nobody is whining over the dual x-large asb rohk. which is your proposed uber-cyclone on steroids.
how did you engage those cyclones? passive/buffer heavy missile drake?

and the breacher will do nothing like that because any cruiser with a web and em/therm damage profile will rofl stomp it to hell.

XL asb Rokh is basically a slightly worse maelstrom

Like the ferox is a slightly worse cyclone.

If they were more common people would be whining, the tank on those things is borderline ********.

Wow this thread has completly derailled...

ah, didn't know that. but that explains how he got this baby running ^^
but still i don't think this kind of maxing out should be balanced on the ship - lvl.
if you reduce the boost amount bonus, so that the boost amount of people who are using implant > bil ISK and boosters have a good but moderate boosting, everyone "only" using t1, t2 and maybe faction gear would suffer to a point where every boody ask why there even is a boost amount bonus. just as the armor rep amount bonus on many gallente ships is thought of as lame.

in my hubble opinion this should be balanced on the lvl of modules, e.g. asb (they really could use more fitting requirements),