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Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#41 - 2012-09-01 16:27:01 UTC
GM Homonoia wrote:
To put that into perspective, creation rates are around 875 - 1000 petitions per day at the moment (that usually rises to around 1500 after an expansion or big patch after 3 or 4 days with rates between 1500-3000 per day).

Yeah so be grateful it doesn't take till next expansion to get a response, I salute our noble game masters and customer support for undertaking a task that must seem a bit Sisyphus-like at times. o7
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
GM Homonoia
Game Master Retirement Home
#42 - 2012-09-01 16:29:48 UTC
TriadSte wrote:
I understand your busy and again thank you for replying.

However what I do not understand is the moving of my petition to the correct queue.

I do believe I used the account suspended queue.

:S


This was not a mistake you made. We have simply observed that people using the 'hours for PLEX' feature tend to file petitions under the PLEX category and thus we have weighted that category to reflect that these easy cases usually end up there. In practice this means that a GM with a little bit of random time on their hands often gets in there and quickly resolves those easy cases. I made sure your petition can be found quickly should such an occasion arise.

Senior GM Homonoia | Info Group | Senior Game Master

GM Homonoia
Game Master Retirement Home
#43 - 2012-09-01 16:31:30 UTC
Paul Oliver wrote:
GM Homonoia wrote:
To put that into perspective, creation rates are around 875 - 1000 petitions per day at the moment (that usually rises to around 1500 after an expansion or big patch after 3 or 4 days with rates between 1500-3000 per day).

Yeah so be grateful it doesn't take till next expansion to get a response, I salute our noble game masters and customer support for undertaking a task that must seem a bit Sisyphus-like at times. o7


I prefer Herculean. At least that offers the positive illusion that we are heroes toiling to accomplish great works instead of sinners condemned to fruitless toiling in a recurring hell.

Senior GM Homonoia | Info Group | Senior Game Master

Matthew97
#44 - 2012-09-01 16:42:44 UTC
GM Homonoia wrote:
*Snip*


Maybe it would be worth releasing these statistics on the support page so people can get a rough idea of how busy you are?

Maybe something that says like "You are Number X in Queue of Y"?

TriadSte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2012-09-01 16:47:47 UTC
Matthew97 wrote:
GM Homonoia wrote:
*Snip*


Maybe it would be worth releasing these statistics on the support page so people can get a rough idea of how busy you are?

Maybe something that says like "You are Number X in Queue of Y"?



That would actually more than likely stop all the bitching about petitions altogether.

Surely it wouldn't be hard to implement?
Cede Forster
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#46 - 2012-09-01 17:01:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Cede Forster
TriadSte wrote:
Damn dude, you really ARE a douce Bear


I would call that a person who screws up "Hour for Plex" and then goes and complains at GD because CS does not fix their screw up fast enough.

Some humility would certainly be in order, after all you are asking here CS to clean something up that you messed up completely on your own.

Don't get me wrong, this should be fixed, but calling out CS on GD seems a bit ... much
Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2012-09-01 17:02:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Gilbaron
ONE THOSAND PATITIONS AND I AM LAST OF ALL!!!

THIS IS OUTRAEGE. I DEMAND FULL SERVIXE BECAUS I AM PAY 15 DOLLAH IN A MONTH TO PLAY. I AM ALSO MOAR IMPOTANT AS OTHER PLAYA. CPP KILLED MY RIGTER SHIP AND I WANT REIMBURSE BCAUSE I NOT KNOW WHY I CANNOZ WIN A IN FIGHT VS CONCORD AHIP

giving some perspective in then forums every now and then is cool. always giving absolute numbers is not. after all, this is still the Internet
Selinate
#48 - 2012-09-01 17:07:01 UTC
Chribba wrote:
Hopefully they will get to you sooner than later. But really, I am a paying customer too and I also want my issues to go before others in the queue... And while yours may take seconds to sort out, how will they know? Not like they would screen the queue every time to see if a newer quicker one has jumped in while finishing the last one.

But hopefully you will get activated soon, and nice of you to help out your gang as well, at the same time there it would have taken you seconds to accept and apply the plex as well, just as it would take them seconds to fix for you.

Best of luck, hope it works out.

/c


First time I think I've ever seen chribba do an impression of a GD troll.
KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#49 - 2012-09-01 17:47:43 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:


Billing petitions are placed in a priority category because they're often from people unable to play, but they inevitably involve a little waiting still since they're handled in the order we receive them.

You should get a reply from the billing GMs soon.


I really wonder if a triage system would improve customer care significantly. Just taking next one in the queue gives you no opportunity to knock out a 100 simple things in a short period of time. Is it really better to satisfy the one 2 day investigation type problem first rather than improve customer satisfaction 100% overall?

KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#50 - 2012-09-01 17:49:07 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
It also appears that CCP Guard needs a hobby for when hes not at work.

Weightlifting.


Stretching...

Garreth Vlox
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#51 - 2012-09-01 19:05:06 UTC
TriadSte wrote:

My dumb ass fault, my problem.

Ok, so its admittedly your fault.... and you title the thread "Customer Service Sucks". There has to be at least 3 disclaimers on the pages that discuss the plex restart offer and EVERY SINGLE ******* ONE OF THEM says it is a ONE (1) time offer that will not be repeated and can not be petitioned.

So what I really want to know is why you are admitting to being dumb and then complaining that they won't fix your ineptitude? They told you at the door, if you **** up, oh well....

Well, you ****** up...

The LULZ Boat.

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#52 - 2012-09-01 19:20:00 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:
If it's any consolation I'm at home on my day off and when I saw your thread I only wanted to quickly toss some helpful advice your way.


And why exactly are you not drunk yet?
CCP Guard
C C P
C C P Alliance
#53 - 2012-09-01 19:23:39 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
CCP Guard wrote:
If it's any consolation I'm at home on my day off and when I saw your thread I only wanted to quickly toss some helpful advice your way.


And why exactly are you not drunk yet?


I´m getting there now. There's this annoying thing here in Iceland they call "daytime" and it's all about not drinking and stuff. I hope you guys don't have to suffer through it as well.

CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer | @CCP_Guard

TriadSte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2012-09-01 19:32:57 UTC
Garreth Vlox wrote:
TriadSte wrote:

My dumb ass fault, my problem.

Ok, so its admittedly your fault.... and you title the thread "Customer Service Sucks". There has to be at least 3 disclaimers on the pages that discuss the plex restart offer and EVERY SINGLE ******* ONE OF THEM says it is a ONE (1) time offer that will not be repeated and can not be petitioned.

So what I really want to know is why you are admitting to being dumb and then complaining that they won't fix your ineptitude? They told you at the door, if you **** up, oh well....

Well, you ****** up...


Ill take a stab at this for you :)

Agreed I did indeed admit fault right from the start but it was genuine mistake. It's not like I wanted the hours for plex to do some missions to grind the final 100 mil for a plex but failed.

I had the plex already contracted waiting for my other char to accept and add to account.

I simply felt that 2 days to sort this out a little much. It has now been taken care of so I thank the GMs and whoever else was invloved.
Evelyn Meiyi
Corvidae Trading and Holding
#55 - 2012-09-02 11:47:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Evelyn Meiyi
TriadSte wrote:
Pretty much that, I did a most dumb ass thing ever yesterday I contracted a plex to another char of mine to add account time. I did this whilst using hours for plex.

I was then side tracked by a incoming gang so helped out, forgetting my other chars time was running out. As I used hours for plex thats no longer available to me at this time.

My dumb ass fault, my problem.

But why under billing in petitions you'd think you'd have more people power to sort these issues out. Like when you call your cell company you know for a FACT if you pushed the number for "pay bill" Its gonna get answered significantly faster than say "change price plan"....

All I want is 5 minutes to log in accept the contract and bang my game time on. Its Saturday I would like to get online and play some Eve.

Its been 24 hours now and I think for a billing issue that's on the border of unacceptable.

It would take someone literally a few seconds to help me out but no..



Speaking as a former call-center agent, I'd like to correct what appears to be a misconception on the part of the OP: 'Pay bill' doesn't get you an agent any faster than other options, nor do we have any control over which calls we take. We sit in the chair and we answer them as they come, whether they're billing issues or a a rate-plan change.

As for the long delay -- It's likely your just got lost in the shuffle (it's an unavoidable consequence of having so many petitions to sort through). All I can suggest is re-submitting the petition in the morning, making sure to mention that you've been waiting for while.

And finally -- Every single time I heard the word 'unacceptable' used, it was in reference to something that was completely and utterly beyond my control. Take a deep breath; the customer service agents are likely just as frustrated about not being able to help you as you are about your issue (we're just really really experienced at not letting it show on the phone).

So...to wrap this up:

Folks, plrease remember: (properly-trained) customer service agents do care about your issue, they are doing all they can to fix it, and they can only do so much. Give 'em the benefit of a doubt the next time you call, and you might find a few extra SMS credits on your account for being such a patient customer. (We can do that, within reason, by the way -- but don't directly ask, because then we have to say 'no').
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#56 - 2012-09-02 20:43:03 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
CCP Guard wrote:
If it's any consolation I'm at home on my day off and when I saw your thread I only wanted to quickly toss some helpful advice your way.


And why exactly are you not drunk yet?


I´m getting there now. There's this annoying thing here in Iceland they call "daytime" and it's all about not drinking and stuff. I hope you guys don't have to suffer through it as well.


The curse of sunlight impacts us too. You have my pity and I wish you a speedy return to the winter darkness of the frigid north.
MailDeadDrop
Archon Industries
#57 - 2012-09-02 23:31:17 UTC  |  Edited by: MailDeadDrop
CCP Guard wrote:
If it's any consolation I'm at home on my day off and when I saw your thread I only wanted to quickly toss some helpful advice your way.
baltec1 wrote:
And why exactly are you not drunk yet?
CCP Guard wrote:
I´m getting there now. There's this annoying thing here in Iceland they call "daytime" and it's all about not drinking and stuff. I hope you guys don't have to suffer through it as well.

Man. Here I was under the impression that Icelanders, descendants of the feared Vikings, were Tough Guys. Down here in Texas we never let some oversized greenhouse heater interfere with getting a good buzz on. Heck, we even have a dedicated hydrating beverage specially designed for excessive consumption when it's miserable hot (i.e. beyond 35 degC to you): light beer. It can be found in all the local merchants(*) and is available in convenient 6-, 12-, 24-, and 30- unit packages.

TL;DR: Pansy Icelanders...

MDD Big smile
(*) Unless you have the great misfortune to be located in one of the Baptist-infested "dry" areas...
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#58 - 2012-09-02 23:58:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Johan Civire
Well you can not stop those QQ people there is always something to troll/QQ for.. If you try to fixs it well the othere problems pop up. Its like cleaning the floor with the tap open.
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#59 - 2012-09-03 00:16:14 UTC
TriadSte wrote:
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
It depends on how many petitions they get. It shouldn't be a shocking that you aren't the only petition they receive. You are 1 of probably 1000s they get.


Totally agreed !! +1

However before I began working for myself I worked in a call center [rock on] for customer services on rental cars. Now we had in the region of 2500 incoming emails. 5 people worked on those emails and in a weekend we cleared them all.

After that weekend the very most that were allowed to stay there as a form of backlog was 200.

This is why I cannot conceive the petition times here.


Ah this explains it.

I read through your first couple of whiny and self important posts and thought "Wow, when I was working in customer services in a call centre this is exactly the type of customer that annoyed me the most". Then you say you worked in customer services and it all makes sense, I'm an awful customer because I know all the levers to press and people to complain to in order to get things done quicker. I do it because if I'm feeling selfish I don't care about the guys on the phone or the other customers, I've been put out and I'm being a selfish individual.

That is essentially what all your posts are in this thread. Your first post is rude but I can understand your frustration, you then lash out at a dev who didn't read your first post but was clearly offering advice (in that way that you know they mean well but they aren't the sharpest tool in the shed, no offence ;) ), then afterwords you back track and bit and tell them "I work in customer service and we did it better".

I took great pleasure in customer like that as I single handedly demolished any arguments they had and put them in the position of saying "I'm being a selfish prick and I don't care that I am" or waiting their turn like everyone else. If CCP had done something wrong to you, or their software had caused problems etc and it hadn't been fixed then I would be like "Fair enough, someone get something for this guy as an apology".

Instead you're like those moron customers I'd get ringing me who had done something with their phone they shouldn't have done or whatever, I'd help out and give them a time and then they were unhappy with it.

Put it this way, just be lucky I'm not the one dealing with your query, otherwise I probably wouldn't have even moved your petition into the right queue for you (something you also did wrong). I would have let you wait your turn to let my team fix the problems you caused.

Oh also if you bought the PLEX with isk then you're not even a paying customer, so all the rubbish about "usually you get a faster answer with billing then changing a price plan" is inconsequential. Using your logic you should be a LOW priority as you're not contributing money.

"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli

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Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#60 - 2012-09-03 03:31:22 UTC
off topic posts removed, please post sensibly, thank you - ISD Type40.

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