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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#481 - 2012-08-31 15:15:45 UTC
"Roderick Grey" wrote:
I still don't understand why it's such a big deal that carebears can chill in highsec without harassment unless they're wardecced.

The money's terrible there anyway...


"Chilling" in high sec is fine, if a player wants to make a toon, put it in a shuttle and fly around looking at stuff and "chilling", thats cool.

But if that super chill player can or does take ANY action that affect any other players situation or interaction with the game (good or bad), said super chill play should be subject to being affected in some way (good or bad) as well. Miners in NPC corps are less affected than others.

A situation need not affect me personally for me to see that it is unfair and where possible unfairness in the game should be addressed by ccp.
Alexzandvar Douglass
Motiveless Malignity
Deepwater Hooligans
#482 - 2012-08-31 15:23:52 UTC
As a Null sec miner with SoCo I have every right to despise him.

But frankly, I don't care. Goons can have a giant meta gaming circle jerk, Ill just stay over in my little corner of null sec and have fun with Starbucks and the ingame browser.
IGNATIUS HOOD
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#483 - 2012-08-31 16:57:12 UTC
James 315 is wrong.

Ganking is the low hanging fruit of EVE mayhem making. Nobody should give this blowhard an audience, it just encourages him. Ganking is alot like mugging elderly people, sure you can do it, but why? I fail to see how the gain, tears? ISK? respect? *LOL* is worth the cost of your ship and the security hit.

I mean sure I could go out and kill mining barges in HS, but I could also go around mugging old people. Both are stupid ideas for very similar reasons.

Now if you get your kicks being pointlessly cruel to total strangers, you go right ahead and gank to your heart's content. I personally will question your manhodd and your sanity, not only is it a gutless pastime, beyond simply juvenile, but the rationale is flawed. All James 315 is doing is complaining becuase his favorite pastime, the stupid act of ganking, is being curbed by mechanics in the game.

Its not making EVE any safer. It is making it less stupid.

Now, the only time I could get behind HS gank activities is if they are part of a cohesive denial strategy based on the concept of assymetrical warfare. War is an ugly and cruel thing with obvious objectives and it tends to be a given in warfare that the uglier you can make it the quicker its over.

Juvenile tactics in pursuit of a strategic objective beyond short term gratification at the expense of others is not the same thing as the lone ganker who blows up miners becuase he can.
"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."   --H.L. Mencken
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#484 - 2012-08-31 17:15:11 UTC
IGNATIUS HOOD wrote:
All James 315 is doing is complaining becuase his favorite pastime, the stupid act of ganking, is being curbed by mechanics in the game.



Most likely.

However I am against CCP buffing carebears because there are many ways to defend yourself already which are simply being ignored. You might see ganking fools as stupid but I see it for what it is. Easy money.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#485 - 2012-08-31 19:32:25 UTC
Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:
As a Null sec miner with SoCo I have every right to despise him.

But frankly, I don't care. Goons can have a giant meta gaming circle jerk, Ill just stay over in my little corner of null sec and have fun with Starbucks and the ingame browser.

How big is that corner of null sec, exactly?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Rafa Dux
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#486 - 2012-08-31 19:41:04 UTC
Don't see what everyone is bitching about.. Its mittenz so yeah, nuff said there.. but I don't want to see Eve another carebear WoW fest.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#487 - 2012-08-31 19:46:40 UTC
Rafa Dux wrote:
Its mittenz so yeah, nuff said there..

No it isn't.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Doc Severide
Doomheim
#488 - 2012-08-31 19:55:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Severide
I started to read it, but it's way too long...

And as soon as I realized who wrote it, RollRollRollRollRollRollRoll

Paul Oliver wrote:
I don't get why some people who's playstyle is represented in the lowsec and nullsec regions of EVE feel the need to whine and complain about a part of EVE space which is obviously not intended for them.

Because they are selfish creeps who feel the world revolves around them...
Matriarch Prime
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#489 - 2012-08-31 20:15:51 UTC
Drekarg wrote:
No CCP replies to this threadnaught yet? Interesting.


The developers don't need to interfere with every discussion of note on the forums. In fact, its counter producive to receiving good honest feedback. Had a developer responded with anything of substance, on page 10, more than half of this thread would now be about how said developers was right or wrong or whatever.

Instead we have a thread full of ideas and comments from nearly every possible angle you could have in this game. Its clear that many different people play the game for a wide variety of different reasons despite some players trumpeting of buzzwords and ideological jargon about what the game is.

I like big guns. I can not lie. You other suckas can't deny. When I warp in, with an itty bity sig, with an arty in your face, you get sprung. You want to pull out your debuffs, 'cause you want to loot my stuff...deep, in a worm with nary, an escape but you can't stop staring. 'Cause, Oh crap!, Baby's got Point!

La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#490 - 2012-08-31 20:21:31 UTC
Matriarch Prime wrote:
Drekarg wrote:
No CCP replies to this threadnaught yet? Interesting.


The developers don't need to interfere with every discussion of note on the forums. In fact, its counter producive to receiving good honest feedback. Had a developer responded with anything of substance, on page 10, more than half of this thread would now be about how said developers was right or wrong or whatever.

Instead we have a thread full of ideas and comments from nearly every possible angle you could have in this game. Its clear that many different people play the game for a wide variety of different reasons despite some players trumpeting of buzzwords and ideological jargon about what the game is.


The good honest feedback for the devs:

Stop nerfing highsec aggression,
Stop using cost to balance anything and revert all changes that take cost as a balancing factor into account,
Revert some of the nerfs to highsec aggression,
Revert the barge EHP buffs or reduce their resistances,
Nerf highsec reward or increase highsec risk,
Don't ignore null and low sec for a year or two, it doesn't have to be anything major just give us something to work with.

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Il Feytid
State War Academy
Caldari State
#491 - 2012-08-31 20:27:59 UTC
And now reports of IP farming for more goon meta gaming. Apparently the legal section of the website states it will use IP addresses for law enforcement reasons, but they are using them for their own meta gaming and out of game harassment. I guess the hard lesson he learned from fanfest did not sink in.

Question is how many of the goon staff will he drag down with him when the cheese head popo show up and shut down this operation.
Josef Djugashvilis
#492 - 2012-08-31 20:31:55 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
And now reports of IP farming for more goon meta gaming. Apparently the legal section of the website states it will use IP addresses for law enforcement reasons, but they are using them for their own meta gaming and out of game harassment. I guess the hard lesson he learned from fanfest did not sink in.

Question is how many of the goon staff will he drag down with him when the cheese head popo show up and shut down this operation.


Proper details please.

Links etc,

This is not a signature.

Josef Djugashvilis
#493 - 2012-08-31 20:33:44 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Matriarch Prime wrote:
Drekarg wrote:
No CCP replies to this threadnaught yet? Interesting.


The developers don't need to interfere with every discussion of note on the forums. In fact, its counter producive to receiving good honest feedback. Had a developer responded with anything of substance, on page 10, more than half of this thread would now be about how said developers was right or wrong or whatever.

Instead we have a thread full of ideas and comments from nearly every possible angle you could have in this game. Its clear that many different people play the game for a wide variety of different reasons despite some players trumpeting of buzzwords and ideological jargon about what the game is.


The good honest feedback for the devs:

Stop nerfing highsec aggression,
Stop using cost to balance anything and revert all changes that take cost as a balancing factor into account,
Revert some of the nerfs to highsec aggression,
Revert the barge EHP buffs or reduce their resistances,
Nerf highsec reward or increase highsec risk,
Don't ignore null and low sec for a year or two, it doesn't have to be anything major just give us something to work with.


Nerf goon whingingSmile

It seems to be the case that the more folk consider themselves to be pixel hardmen, the more they cry.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#494 - 2012-08-31 20:38:36 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:


Nerf goon whingingSmile

It seems to be the case that the more folk consider themselves to be pixel hardmen, the more they cry.


Remove npc alts ability to post anywhere.

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Matriarch Prime
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#495 - 2012-08-31 20:41:01 UTC
I personally don't understand the goon hate. I missed that memo apparently. I've only ever seen civil, if a maybe a bit tongue in cheek, comments from "goons" on the forums.

I have a novel idea. How about the talk about the merits of someone's argument/comment instead what letters come after their name.

I like big guns. I can not lie. You other suckas can't deny. When I warp in, with an itty bity sig, with an arty in your face, you get sprung. You want to pull out your debuffs, 'cause you want to loot my stuff...deep, in a worm with nary, an escape but you can't stop staring. 'Cause, Oh crap!, Baby's got Point!

La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#496 - 2012-08-31 20:44:44 UTC
Matriarch Prime wrote:
I personally don't understand the goon hate. I missed that memo apparently. I've only ever seen civil, if a maybe a bit tongue in cheek, comments from "goons" on the forums.

I have a novel idea. How about the talk about the merits of someone's argument/comment instead what letters come after their name.


A good idea coming out of an npc alt, never thought I'd see the day.

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Josef Djugashvilis
#497 - 2012-08-31 20:44:47 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:


Nerf goon whingingSmile

It seems to be the case that the more folk consider themselves to be pixel hardmen, the more they cry.


Remove npc alts ability to post anywhere.


I may be an alt, but I cry less, whinge less and talk more sense than your main.

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Matriarch Prime
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#498 - 2012-08-31 20:47:14 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Matriarch Prime wrote:
Drekarg wrote:
No CCP replies to this threadnaught yet? Interesting.


The developers don't need to interfere with every discussion of note on the forums. In fact, its counter producive to receiving good honest feedback. Had a developer responded with anything of substance, on page 10, more than half of this thread would now be about how said developers was right or wrong or whatever.

Instead we have a thread full of ideas and comments from nearly every possible angle you could have in this game. Its clear that many different people play the game for a wide variety of different reasons despite some players trumpeting of buzzwords and ideological jargon about what the game is.


The good honest feedback for the devs:

Stop nerfing highsec aggression,
Stop using cost to balance anything and revert all changes that take cost as a balancing factor into account,
Revert some of the nerfs to highsec aggression,
Revert the barge EHP buffs or reduce their resistances,
Nerf highsec reward or increase highsec risk,
Don't ignore null and low sec for a year or two, it doesn't have to be anything major just give us something to work with.


Nerfing is a vague word. Are you on board with the crime watch details that have been presented? I think the improved claritity makes it harder to game for an advantage. You do something bad, it doesn't matter to who, you have a global flag helping a criminal gives you yuorself criminal status. No games, no weird interconnections. Simple, effective and it doesn't get rid of all risk in high security, it just evens out the consequences.

I like big guns. I can not lie. You other suckas can't deny. When I warp in, with an itty bity sig, with an arty in your face, you get sprung. You want to pull out your debuffs, 'cause you want to loot my stuff...deep, in a worm with nary, an escape but you can't stop staring. 'Cause, Oh crap!, Baby's got Point!

Matriarch Prime
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#499 - 2012-08-31 20:48:03 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Matriarch Prime wrote:
I personally don't understand the goon hate. I missed that memo apparently. I've only ever seen civil, if a maybe a bit tongue in cheek, comments from "goons" on the forums.

I have a novel idea. How about the talk about the merits of someone's argument/comment instead what letters come after their name.


A good idea coming out of an npc alt, never thought I'd see the day.


This is my main. :P

I like big guns. I can not lie. You other suckas can't deny. When I warp in, with an itty bity sig, with an arty in your face, you get sprung. You want to pull out your debuffs, 'cause you want to loot my stuff...deep, in a worm with nary, an escape but you can't stop staring. 'Cause, Oh crap!, Baby's got Point!

La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#500 - 2012-08-31 20:49:41 UTC  |  Edited by: La Nariz
Matriarch Prime wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Matriarch Prime wrote:
Drekarg wrote:
No CCP replies to this threadnaught yet? Interesting.


The developers don't need to interfere with every discussion of note on the forums. In fact, its counter producive to receiving good honest feedback. Had a developer responded with anything of substance, on page 10, more than half of this thread would now be about how said developers was right or wrong or whatever.

Instead we have a thread full of ideas and comments from nearly every possible angle you could have in this game. Its clear that many different people play the game for a wide variety of different reasons despite some players trumpeting of buzzwords and ideological jargon about what the game is.


The good honest feedback for the devs:

Stop nerfing highsec aggression,
Stop using cost to balance anything and revert all changes that take cost as a balancing factor into account,
Revert some of the nerfs to highsec aggression,
Revert the barge EHP buffs or reduce their resistances,
Nerf highsec reward or increase highsec risk,
Don't ignore null and low sec for a year or two, it doesn't have to be anything major just give us something to work with.


Nerfing is a vague word. Are you on board with the crime watch details that have been presented? I think the improved claritity makes it harder to game for an advantage. You do something bad, it doesn't matter to who, you have a global flag helping a criminal gives you yuorself criminal status. No games, no weird interconnections. Simple, effective and it doesn't get rid of all risk in high security, it just evens out the consequences.


Nerf is analogous to reduce. I am on the board with the suspect flag, you do something bad and anyone can shoot you. The problem I have with it is that it's going to make freighter ganking really really difficult and I don't have a solution to that yet. I don't think can flipping, ninja salvaging, or ninja looting should have gone either but again I don't have a solution to that. Its a good start but it needs a lot of work.

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