EVE General Discussion

As someone who has spent most of their short time with EVE in high sec - and who is bored to death of EVE as a consequence of this - I feel I need to remind miners of one key fact:

EVE is an MMO. One very good method for preventing suicide ganking, is to team up with your corp mates, set guards on your mining ops. That way, a hostile warping to you can be intercepted and dealt with before they are able to hit your miners. Will this always work? No. Will it work a often enough to prevent suicide ganking? Absolutely.

Furthermore, here are the steps to mining correctly, even in high sec:

1. Find rocks with a small, fast ship. Save their location.
2. Warp directly to rocks in your miner
3. Deploy combat drones for defense against Rats
4. Align your ship to a station or celestial
5. Remain at your keyboard while mining
6. Warp out the second a possible ganker makes their first appearance.

Do these things, and mine in groups. If you played EVE as the MMO it was inteded to be - as opposed to an AFK virtual money making sim - you wouldn't have many of these problems.

The problem isn't that mining boats are weak. The problem is that people want to be able to mine while they play other games, too. If mining is boring, then don't do it. But don't ask the DEVS to accomodate your desire to not actually play the game while your avatar plays it for you.


PS: About your ridiculous Destroyers vs. Exhumers argument, dear miners, let me say this:

I have walked the decks of US Navy destroyers and aircraft carriers. I have worked in the holds of tugboats and merchant vessels. And I assure you that, despite the cost of both vessels, a single navy frigate could easily sink not only a tugboat or merchant trader, but a deep sea mining platform or supertanker, if it cared to or had the need.

The cost isn't the relevant bit. The part that matters, is the ship's intended purpose.

tl;dr: "CCP gave you a sandbox, and you're using it like a sandbox, please stop."
This game is not, and should never be, intended to be fun for everyone. We're a niche group of players who enjoy a game where your losses have consequence as well as your actions, and where PVP is the driving force behind everything you can do in this game. Some people don't like that, but that's not the game's fault, and it's not the fault of the other players - it's purely their own, and they need to realize that this maybe isn't the game for them and move on.

Yes that might be the dumbest thing I have heard. If a war ship got even close to the coast of the US that was not an American or Allied ship it would be blown to hell.

So what your saying is no warships in empire I could get behind this.

So what? Are you implying PvP mechanisms shouldnt be able to interfer between each others? Industry and trade dictates the price of combat ships, why shouldnt combat ships be able to destroy mining and industrial ships?

If it was only one alliance or one corp propigating suicide ganking and everyone else was against it, it would have gone the way of the do-do bird a long time ago. Trust me, I played this game in a time when Goonswarm was a newbie alliance full of amateurs who didn't know how to fit a T1 frigate and back than their was more suicide ganking than their is today during Hulkegedons. Goons are neither the inventors of suicide ganking nore are they particularly clever at it. There are far worse offenders and this is hardly a "Goon" thing.

Now Goons do support it, but as far as I'm concerned they are the only people in this game who have an actual valid reason to do it as its part of their strategic plan to create chaos in Eve as they wage a war to win Eve. To me, if a player or group of players, do something.. anything, in Eve with a purpose and a plan... its good for Eve regardless of the outcome. Its when people do it just to be dicks... that's when I would come to question the mechanic. So while I'm not a fan of Goons by any stretch of the imagination having swapped paint with them more than I care to admit, a game with a pulse and purpose, is a good game..

I do agree with you that their is a lot of ass-hatery within the scope of suicide ganking and I'm yet to understand its existence at all, but again, I don't see how Goons own suicide ganking. People did it before Goons and they will do it long after Goons.

I think the argument (that CCP used) wasn't so much that ganking was too easy, but that it was too cost effective. The main comparison being the 300 mill (+) hulk compared to the barely couple mill destroyer (only regarding hull prices). Even if you had 10 destroyers the costs were still way out of whack for the ISK that was destroyed.

Even if every destroyer cost 10 mill in hull and fittings you're just starting to reach something that might be acceptable with 1/3 ratio.

I think the solution to this argument's problem is that hulks cost too much, alchemy hopefully reliving that a little. And the biggest indicator that this is what CCP was thinking (that ganking was too cost effective) was that they also increased the materials cost of building the new mining barges, thus showing that they wanted the HP buffed to be tied into the value of the barges.

I agree that buffing bounty hunting would help, but it's more than suicide gankers, it's also can flippers, and neutral remote reppers, and probably a few more - my point was to make hi-sec consequences harsher for villains

We already lose sec standing, forgo insurance payouts, get our ship blown up 100% of the time, have to stay docked for 15 min, are attackable by anyone after only a handfull of attacks, might fail to kill the target and the loot drops at random (most of the good stuff tends to get destroyed) and the loot that does drop can be stolen.

There comes a time when enough is enough. The problem is not gankers, its the stupids that make themselves a target in the first place.